# The good doctor's post was okay - it's Bodoni's that's idiotic **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 12, 2006, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-doctors-post-was-okay-its-bodonis-thats-idiotic/352325 "2006-04-12T03:27:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![RyJae](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9d8465/32.png) [@RyJae](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RyJae)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2006, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-doctors-post-was-okay-its-bodonis-thats-idiotic/352325/161 "2006-04-12T19:06:17Z")
> [@What Exit?](#): > > No, I actually agree that \*\*Guin \*\* post was out of line, maybe their is past bad blood between you. If you stop a minute and think, almost everybody in this thread is addressing you politely even though you disagree with post of us. > One user dismissing you is hardly a pile on. > > Jim Sometimes people post before they realize the outcome of what they had to say came out wrong. But that’s okay this is but a message board water off the back. Albeit one I am paying for so I believe my 15$ input is just as valid as anyone elses regardless of time here. And I am in turn being polite erm I went off half cocked one time, I _was_ right but expressed myself in a very poor manner, since that time I have read what I typed twice, never for spelling or grammar just for intent. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2006, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-doctors-post-was-okay-its-bodonis-thats-idiotic/352325/162 "2006-04-12T19:07:02Z")
> [@roger thornhill](#): > > And, **Cervaise** , shame on you for trying that manipulative bullshit. Any member who sees his or her presence here in terms of a popularity contest ends up with nil respect. As you well know. No manipulation intended. It was an honest question. You used to be an interesting poster, with a uniquely off-kilter point of view. Lately you’ve just become oblique and pointlessly combative. I don’t know what happened, but I’d welcome a return to original form. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2006, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-doctors-post-was-okay-its-bodonis-thats-idiotic/352325/163 "2006-04-12T19:10:39Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > > [@roger thornhill](#): > > > > And, Cervaise, shame on you for trying that manipulative bullshit. Any member who sees his or her presence here in terms of a popularity contest ends up with nil respect. As you well know. > > No manipulation intended. It was an honest question. You used to be an interesting poster, with a uniquely off-kilter point of view. Lately you’ve just become oblique and pointlessly combative. I don’t know what happened, but I’d welcome a return to original form. Interesting, I asked him something similar, but he chose not to respond. I’ve never seen this side of him before, can you link to another recent thread like you described? Jim ---
**Author:** ![RyJae](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9d8465/32.png) [@RyJae](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RyJae)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2006, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-doctors-post-was-okay-its-bodonis-thats-idiotic/352325/164 "2006-04-12T19:10:43Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > In point of fact, there are any number of posters who are generally disliked on the SDMB and rather few of them have been banned. Of those who have been banned, many posted for several years without incurring banishment, simply by not breaking rules or flagrantly behaving like jerks. > (Yeah, the “jerk” rule is vague. The alternative is to have a Talmud- or Blackstone-sized forum in which every adjudicated reported post is laid out with every opinion regarding it spelled out in exhaustive detail–following which some human still needs to make a decision.) > > It is actually not that easy to get banned (barring a couple of capital crimes such as spamming the board or maintaining a sockpuppet). For as hostile as you seem to be, I do not recall ever seeing you pick up a warning. > However, if you feel better voicing outrage and horror because someone has been threatened with banishment for behaving in an uncivil manner, by all means indulge yourself. Woah there Tom, hostile? I have only been hostile in the PIT, once I got out of line in GD, but not enough to garner a warning just a “keep it in line” which was deserving. This board is not a civil place, by no means is it civil. Not even in GQ where it should be kept civil, there is an allowance for snarky replies using the “Well Cecil does it” approach. Now if you want act like a dick my reply will be to a dick, you want to act like a civil person, I will reply like a civil person. ---
**Author:** ![JohnBckWLD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d6d6ee/32.png) [@JohnBckWLD](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnBckWLD)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2006, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-doctors-post-was-okay-its-bodonis-thats-idiotic/352325/165 "2006-04-12T19:19:50Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > I doubt that. I suspect that most people who doubt that **drmark2000** is a psychologist are basing their assumptions on the fact that he is a jerk who does not seem to actually have a grasp of psychology (aside from the inherent grasp of how to pull peoples’ chains)…Certainly I have made no assumption that he is not a psychologist. I was operating on the assumption people were following your dry “\” lead. But that, admittedly (like trolling accusations) was just a guess. Though you don’t moderate the Pit, I would _hope_ you would remind others who (may have) followed your lead to lay-off on the “liar” insinuations until evidence shows otherwise. > [@](#): > > I simply found him posting wild nonsense in a **Pit** thread\* and linked his bumbling of numbers and his claims to competence as a way to yank his chain as he enjoys yanking others’. His past history aside, as a poster (as opposed to a staffer) of this board who rarely shrinks (n.p.i.) from posting their opinion in an unofficial capacity, do you feel drmark200’s thread in question was (1) deliberate trolling (2) rises to the level of requiring further disciplinary action? ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2006, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-doctors-post-was-okay-its-bodonis-thats-idiotic/352325/166 "2006-04-12T19:29:21Z")
OK, **Guin** , I’m terminally stupid. I just prefer a world where the pit is a place you can be offensive. Trolling is such a subjective thing, and fuck, who does it really hurt? I guess I’m not threatened by pit trolls. I don’t know 'em when I see 'em, and I don’t really care. Subjective shit bothers me. That’s just me. > [@Crotalus](#): > > He claimed to be pitting people who get married, not marriage, although that’s not exactly what he did. And 50% of marriages in the US do not end in divorce, nor have they ever. You may find [this New York Times article](http://www.divorcereform.org/nyt05.html) interesting. It includes this statement: > “The method preferred by social scientists in determining the divorce rate is > to calculate how many people who have ever married subsequently divorced.” That “rate” is necessarily going to be less than the percent of marriages that end in divorce, right? As soon as somebody gets divorced twice, they’ve added to the second rate but not the first. Unless the sentence is poorly worded, and they meant counting events instead of people. **drmark** said 50% of marriages end in divorce. I didn’t check it, but I’ve heard it before. Even if he’s wrong, you admit the rate is (or was) greater than 41%, and I wouldn’t consider his posit trolling - I believe he believed that number. I also got comments that he pitted people who got married, rather than marriage. I admit I do not see the distinction there that makes one valid and the other out of bounds. ---
**Author:** ![drmark2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a87d85/32.png) [@drmark2000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drmark2000)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2006, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-doctors-post-was-okay-its-bodonis-thats-idiotic/352325/167 "2006-04-12T19:36:34Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > I simply found him posting wild nonsense in a **Pit** thread\* and linked his bumbling of numbers and his claims to competence as a way to yank his chain as he enjoys yanking others’. I have noticed how you post to point out some supposed infraction by another while committing the same in your own post. You’ve done this a number of times. Seems sadistic to me. ---
**Author:** ![Syntropy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@Syntropy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Syntropy)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2006, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-doctors-post-was-okay-its-bodonis-thats-idiotic/352325/168 "2006-04-12T19:44:34Z")
What, I missed a **drmark** thread? I’m crushed. > [@Abbie Normal](#): > > Oh yes I see him acting like a total dickhead, er shithead. But I see MANY others act (IMHO) as total shitheads as well. It should not be a bannable offense. Ignore the shitheads, enlighten the shitheads, but do not ban the shitheads. More than one poster here pisses me off with almost every post, they act arrogant, and post contrary viewpoints into almost everything they post in. Yet they are long standing members whose posts do not garner “extra eyes”. So pit that person. Or report the posts. I personally think you should be able to call that person a troll if that’s what you see them doing, but that’s my opinion and it’s been done to death. Enough posters who’ve been members for several years have been banned in the past couple months to disprove what you’re saying. It’s difficult to “enlighten the shitheads” who are bound and determined to not be enlightened. For example: above, **What Exit** pointed out to you that just about everyone has been responding to you politely and trying to be informative, that you’re not being piled on, it’s just your perception. You took that information, thought about it, and agreed there was some merit to it. If more than one person tells me that I’m behaving like a flaming cunt, I’m going to realize that the fault probably isn’t with them, and I should curb back on the bile and maybe take a break til I calm down. Both normal responses. **DrMark** the incredible nihilist not doesn’t do that. People have attempted to inform him that he’s coming off as a passive aggressive shitheel, ranging from polite to confrontational, and he then accuses the person pointing this out as having some personality flaw. Intentional disconnect. He refuses to accept any fault may lie with him, and phrases his responses as vaguely as possible and for maximum provocation, so if a poster finds it offensive, he can claims miscommunication (on that person’s part, of course). ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2006, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-doctors-post-was-okay-its-bodonis-thats-idiotic/352325/169 "2006-04-12T19:49:16Z")
**drmark** , I posted a series of questions [here.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=7291298&postcount=105) Would you mind responding to at least the first three, please? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2006, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-doctors-post-was-okay-its-bodonis-thats-idiotic/352325/170 "2006-04-12T19:49:43Z")
> [@drmark2000](#): > > I have noticed how you post to point out some supposed infraction by another while committing the same in your own post. You’ve done this a number of times. Seems sadistic to me. Hey, look! A clinical psychologist who doesn’t know what “sadism” means! That’s something you don’t see every day! ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2006, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-doctors-post-was-okay-its-bodonis-thats-idiotic/352325/171 "2006-04-12T20:19:46Z")
> [@drmark2000](#): > > I have noticed how you post to point out some supposed infraction by another while committing the same in your own post. You’ve done this a number of times. Seems sadistic to me. I did not even post any numbers to bumble, here. ---
**Author:** ![Crotalus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crotalus/32/41_2.png) [@Crotalus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crotalus)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2006, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-doctors-post-was-okay-its-bodonis-thats-idiotic/352325/172 "2006-04-12T20:26:38Z")
> [@bup](#): > > OK, **Guin** , I’m terminally stupid. I just prefer a world where the pit is a place you can be offensive. Trolling is such a subjective thing, and fuck, who does it really hurt? I guess I’m not threatened by pit trolls. I don’t know 'em when I see 'em, and I don’t really care. Subjective shit bothers me. That’s just me. > > That “rate” is necessarily going to be less than the percent of marriages that end in divorce, right? As soon as somebody gets divorced twice, they’ve added to the second rate but not the first. Unless the sentence is poorly worded, and they meant counting events instead of people. > > **drmark** said 50% of marriages end in divorce. I didn’t check it, but I’ve heard it before. Even if he’s wrong, you admit the rate is (or was) greater than 41%, and I wouldn’t consider his posit trolling - I believe he believed that number. > > I also got comments that he pitted people who got married, rather than marriage. I admit I do not see the distinction there that makes one valid and the other out of bounds. First, I’d like to apologize because it appears that my link to the entire article doesn’t work. Sorry about that. I’m not sure why. My comments were essentially nitpicking. The 50% figure is in the air, it’s everywhere, and it’s wrong. It’s based on a comparison of marriages and divorces in the same year, and that is simply not a proper method for calculating the divorce rate. The 50% figure was mentioned in the OP and disputed by other posters with cites, and then you repeated it, and my nitpicking reflex kicked in. Marriage versus people who marry, same thing, picking nits. None of what I said was intended to demonstrate that the OP constituted trolling. I thought it was poorly written and lame-brained, but not offensive. As others have said, there’s a pattern of deliberately (IMO) provocative posts for this guy, which I think was demonstrated in that thread, not in the OP, that has **drmark2000** constantly flirting with mod action. Sorry for the nit-picking. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2006, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-doctors-post-was-okay-its-bodonis-thats-idiotic/352325/173 "2006-04-12T20:33:05Z")
> [@Abbie Normal](#): > > Very interesting view, so if someone has views that piss many off, they are banned. Of course not. **Trunk** pisses many off and he’s still here. > [@](#): > > - And if they express dismay about bannings they turn out to be a sock.\* One did, yes. ---
**Author:** ![drmark2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a87d85/32.png) [@drmark2000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drmark2000)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2006, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-doctors-post-was-okay-its-bodonis-thats-idiotic/352325/174 "2006-04-12T20:33:05Z")
> [@Hentor the Barbarian](#): > > Is **drmark2000’s** degree a Ph.D. or Psy.D.? PhD. Pure and plain. > [@Hentor the Barbarian](#): > > In which states is **drmark2000** licensed to practice as a clinical psychologist? For how many years has he been licensed? You thinks I’m a gonna tells you this things? Ridiculous! I have stated the truth, and that is enough. > [@Hentor the Barbarian](#): > > Has **drmark2000** ever published in a peer-reviewed journal? If so, which and on what topic(s)? Wouldn’t you like to know? > [@Hentor the Barbarian](#): > > If **drmark2000** does possess a degree in psychology, why does **drmark2000** sound fairly ignorant about psychological issues (or about general topics) when he writes about them here? What you call ignorance is, in fact, a sweeping knowledge and incandescent understanding of the issues at hand that simply dwarfs your intellect. You want to twiddle away on details, pretending that symptoms are the issues themselves, rather than mere manifestations of the more fundamental problems existing on a deeper level. I shoot deeper, and hit deeper. > [@Hentor the Barbarian](#): > > As one with a PhD in clinical psychology, I can say that I have met several people over the years who should not have doctoral degrees in clinical psychology, yet do. Fortunately, they are among the minority, but they do exist. I ain’t one of them, bud. Legit degree, legit experience. That’s me. Pisses you off, doesn’t it? Look, sign up for one of those inane seminars we’re constantly being goaded to attend, and pretend that _that_ guy sure knows what it’s all about. Get a few CEU’s and pat yourself on the back. Discuss Russell Barkley’s grrrrreeeeaaaat works and pretend that he revealed some profound truth in determining (using thousands of children as guinea pigs) that amphetamines cause short-term improvement in attention. Oh, and also that the side effects aren’t all _that_ bad. And that behavioral interventions don’t make any significant difference compared to those of a healthy dose of speed, now in increasingly sophisticated delivery systems. > [@Hentor the Barbarian](#): > > The degree is not a guarantee that any sort of criterion level of intelligence or maturity has been met, although the process makes it more difficult for the stupid or childish to progress too far. Still, exceptions do occur. IF you’re a clinical psychologist, then you know as well as I do that there is little in the process all the way to getting licensed that isn’t just a hazing ritual. No clinical value whatsoever. Direct experience does count for something, however. I have scads of that. > [@Hentor the Barbarian](#): > > Perhaps I should change my name to **DrHentor**? Why not? I’ll tell you why not! Because then there will all of this harping on the “dr” instead of on whatever issues you raise. This is a defense, an avoidance, by people who cannot bear to face down The Truth. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2006, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-doctors-post-was-okay-its-bodonis-thats-idiotic/352325/175 "2006-04-12T20:35:39Z")
> [@JohnBckWLD](#): > > His past history aside, as a poster (as opposed to a staffer) of this board who rarely shrinks (n.p.i.) from posting their opinion in an unofficial capacity, do you feel drmark200’s thread in question was (1) deliberate trolling (2) rises to the level of requiring further disciplinary action? I am not sure how or why I should put aside his history. Given his history, I viewed his thread as trolling.\* Closing the thread with a warning was, in my opinion, sufficient disciplinary action. (Other staffers may disagree.) - He did not pit marriage as outdated or counterproductive or whatever; he pitted _persons who chose to marry_ using horrible logic, bad statistics badly applied, and he misused the word _shibboleth_. From a newbie, such a thread would have garnered a fair amount of abuse, but with the knowledge that similar presentations had nearly all resulted in _personal_ acrimony (both in the Pit and in other Fora), and with the really bad logic (when we know he can do better) employed in his first two posts, I would say that his thread appeared much more intent on simply raising hackles than in expressing a genuine disapproval of marriage. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2006, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-doctors-post-was-okay-its-bodonis-thats-idiotic/352325/176 "2006-04-12T20:36:49Z")
> [@drmark2000](#): > > …snip… > What you call ignorance is, in fact, a sweeping knowledge and incandescent understanding of the issues at hand that simply dwarfs your intellect. You want to twiddle away on details, pretending that symptoms are the issues themselves, rather than mere manifestations of the more fundamental problems existing on a deeper level. I shoot deeper, and hit deeper. > …snip… Thank you, that is a perfect example of the kind of post I have seen you make multiple times that shows what a grade A conceited jerk you really are. Jim ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2006, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-doctors-post-was-okay-its-bodonis-thats-idiotic/352325/177 "2006-04-12T20:37:43Z")
> [@Maureen](#): > > So pit that person. Or report the posts. I personally think you should be able to call that person a troll if that’s what you see them doing, but that’s my opinion and it’s been done to death. I’ve been warned for asking if someone was trolling or just being dense. That was years ago and I think it’s my only warning. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2006, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-doctors-post-was-okay-its-bodonis-thats-idiotic/352325/178 "2006-04-12T20:46:40Z")
> [@Abbie Normal](#): > > Woah there Tom, hostile? I have only been hostile in the PIT, once I got out of line in GD, but not enough to garner a warning just a “keep it in line” which was deserving. Really? I would have characterized your posts in this thread as hostile. They are not rude. They are not uncivil. They are certainly not out of line for SDMB contribution. However, you have accused the staff and some undefined portion of the TM as operating strictly on a basis of popularity, threatened to withhold your renewal, and called the suggestion that **drmark2000** be banned “bullshit.” Now, you may or may not be correct in your opinions, but I would still characterize those sort of comments as “hostile.” I did not mean to imply that you were out of line in your hostility. In fact, the specific point was that regardless of your views toward other opinions (and, perhaps, either or both the rules or the staff), you were, indeed, behaving in a way that would do nothing to jeopardize your continued participation from the perspective of the staff. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2006, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-doctors-post-was-okay-its-bodonis-thats-idiotic/352325/179 "2006-04-12T20:49:41Z")
> [@drmark2000](#): > > Pisses you off, doesn’t it? Why do you think this would be the case? Are you often convinced that people are angry at you? ---
**Author:** ![drmark2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a87d85/32.png) [@drmark2000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drmark2000)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2006, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-doctors-post-was-okay-its-bodonis-thats-idiotic/352325/180 "2006-04-12T20:50:27Z")
And I just want to take this moment to thank _everyone_ (and I _do_ mean that) who has contributed to this thread. It has been great to hear again from posters who I haven’t heard from in a long time, and pretty much figured had engaged in the most disreputable practice of placing me on their ignore list. My faith in humanity is slightly renewed. I just wish I had the time to respond to all of you individually, but this blanket laudation will have to do. I am, after all, a busy man. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-doctors-post-was-okay-its-bodonis-thats-idiotic/352325.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-doctors-post-was-okay-its-bodonis-thats-idiotic/352325.md?page=10)