# The Good Place \[edited title\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 21, 2016, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-edited-title/766545 "2016-09-21T23:33:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2017, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-edited-title/766545/242 "2017-01-25T17:33:05Z")
> [@Orwell](#): > > As for being renewed, there is more to it than ratings. Network-owned shows have a better chance of renewal than outside-produced shows. This one is produced by Universal Studios, so that is a strike against renewal. But we probably won’t know for sure for another couple of months. Universal owns NBC, so that’s a chip in the show’s favor, not against. ---
**Author:** ![Orwell](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/dfb087/32.png) [@Orwell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Orwell)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2017, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-edited-title/766545/243 "2017-01-25T17:34:48Z")
> [@kunilou](#): > > Universal owns NBC, so that’s a chip in the show’s favor, not against. Didn’t know that. You’re right, that makes renewal somewhat more likely. ---
**Author:** ![blondebear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blondebear/32/1022_2.png) [@blondebear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blondebear)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2017, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-edited-title/766545/244 "2017-01-25T18:21:45Z")
Just a side note any marshmallows out there–there is talk from Rob Thomas about the possibility of a new Veronica Mars mini-series, which would be a very good thing indeed. (If you enjoyed Kristen’s work in The Good Place, you should definitely check out Veronica Mars). ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2017, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-edited-title/766545/245 "2017-01-25T19:54:57Z")
> [@kunilou](#): > > Universal owns NBC, so that’s a chip in the show’s favor, not against. I’m pretty sure you’re wrong about that. NBC is owned by the Sheinhardt Wig Company. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2017, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-edited-title/766545/246 "2017-01-25T20:35:16Z")
I’ve been a casual watcher of the show, haven’t seen all the episodes but I’ve watched the last few episodes on demand. Certainly, one of the best and best executed plot twists I’ve seen. I love the set up for next season (please!) but not sure what they can do beyond that. Now I have to go watch the series in order from the beginning and look for clues. I also have a nagging feeling that a big reveal remaining could be that they’re really in the Good Place or some third place and this is all about giving the inhabitants an opportunity for growth. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2017, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-edited-title/766545/247 "2017-01-25T20:35:21Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > I’m pretty sure you’re wrong about that. NBC is owned by the Sheinhardt Wig Company. Cite? 😛 ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2017, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-edited-title/766545/248 "2017-01-26T02:29:40Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > According to [this article](http://www.multichannel.com/news/content/nielsen-viewership-rises-after-live-plus-7/404657), Nielsen tracks live viewing plus DVR viewing within seven days. Other links mention that they also track live plus same-day DVR viewing (where same day is defined as 3am-3am) and live plus three-day. > > As for streaming via Hulu, the networks actually own Hulu, so I’ll bet they know exactly how many people watch a show via it, and when. I suspect that they do … but how does it factor into the listed ratings (I don’t think it does) and the decisions that get made? There are [more now who stream than watch live tv](http://variety.com/2015/digital/news/streaming-overtakes-live-tv-among-consumer-viewing-preferences-study-1201477318/). Those rating numbers (I think) completely exclude the numbers who stream the show. And the value of the stream viewers is different without advertisers. I strongly suspect that different shows available both live and streaming have different shares of streamers vs live viewers. ---
**Author:** ![Alley\_Dweller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alley_dweller/32/430_2.png) [@Alley\_Dweller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alley_Dweller)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2017, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-edited-title/766545/249 "2017-01-26T02:54:39Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Cite? 😛 [NBC Universal Org Chart.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G03R3fvLIhI) ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2017, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-edited-title/766545/250 "2017-01-26T03:26:00Z")
> [@ISiddiqui](#): > > So, I finally watched it - That was probably one of the best twists I’ve ever seen, my jaw was literally hanging open after the reveal. Will be interest to see where they go from there next season as the mystery aspect is over. Maybe more stuff with Michael’s behind-the-scenes machinations to prevent the 4 from knowing where they are? I just watched it and Holy forking shirtballs. That was some great TV. > [@RealityChuck](#): > > I realize that Eleanor missed a chance. The note in Janet’s mouth should have read “This is the Bad Place.” I totally thought that was going to be what the note said. > [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Loved this show so much. All the acting was great, but Ted Danson’s chuckle will haunt my dreams. I’ve loved Ted Danson since Cheers and he’s still got the chops. I also loved Todd the lava monster. This big scary monster and he’s all apologetic for interrupting Michaels meeting. ---
**Author:** ![Alley\_Dweller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alley_dweller/32/430_2.png) [@Alley\_Dweller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alley_Dweller)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2017, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-edited-title/766545/251 "2017-01-26T03:27:26Z")
> [@kunilou](#): > > Universal owns NBC, so that’s a chip in the show’s favor, not against. I think I’ve got this right, but corrections are welcome. Comcast owns NBC Universal. NBC Universal owns both NBC Broadcasting and NBC Universal Television Group. NBC Universal Television Group owns Universal Television. Universal Television produces The Good Place. NBC Broadcasting owns NBC Universal Television Distribution. NBC Universal Television Distribution distributes The Good Place. In other words, NBC Universal owns both Universal and NBC. ---
**Author:** ![blondebear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blondebear/32/1022_2.png) [@blondebear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blondebear)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2017, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-edited-title/766545/252 "2017-01-26T03:31:36Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > I’ve loved Ted Danson since Cheers and he’s still got the chops. If you haven’t seen it, you need to watch [Bored To Death](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1255913/). Danson is hilarious as George Christopher. ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2017, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-edited-title/766545/253 "2017-01-26T04:28:36Z")
> [@blondebear](#): > > If you haven’t seen it, you need to watch [Bored To Death](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1255913/). Danson is hilarious as George Christopher. Bored to Death is criminally underrated. I’m constantly disappointed that nobody seems to have heard of it. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2017, 6:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-edited-title/766545/254 "2017-01-26T06:14:06Z")
I have never heard of that show. I guess because it was on HBO which I only get during Game of Thrones and then cancel. But Amazon has the seasons on Prime video and DVD/Blue-Ray and they all have 4-5 stars with a couple thousand reviews. SO yeah when I get some extra money I’ll definitely be checking this out. I checked NetFlix streaming and they weren’t offering it. Thanks for the heads up guys. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2017, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-edited-title/766545/255 "2017-01-26T13:09:02Z")
> [@friedo](#): > > Bored to Death is criminally underrated. I’m constantly disappointed that nobody seems to have heard of it. Wonderful show. Was it the first major role he had in his older incarnation? It was definitely the first one that I saw him in. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2017, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-edited-title/766545/256 "2017-01-26T13:13:45Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > Wonderful show. Was it the first major role he had in his older incarnation? It was definitely the first one that I saw him in. I suppose that depends on if you count Becker as older or not. Agreed on the Bored to Death love. Super fun, and my favorite Danson role (though Michael is starting to give it a run for its money.) ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2017, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-edited-title/766545/257 "2017-01-26T22:24:43Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > Wonderful show. Was it the first major role he had in his older incarnation? It was definitely the first one that I saw him in. No, his latter-day renaissance began with [Damages](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0914387/). ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-edited-title/766545/258 "2017-01-27T01:58:18Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > I suppose that depends on if you count Becker as older or not. I could have sworn he had grey hair in Becker, loved that show, but I went to IMDB and the photos they have show him as having brown hair. > [@EllisDee](#): > > No, his latter-day renaissance began with [Damages](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0914387/). Holy crap. Glenn Close, Ted Danson, Judd Hirsch, Martin Short, William Hurt, Mario Van Peebles, John Goodman, (love that man), Lily Tomlin, Darrel Hammond, Jenna Elfman. I haven’t heard of this show either. What did they just create it to give everyone in Hollywood a job. It’s like Oprah. “You get some episodes and you get some episodes and you get some episodes and you get some episodes.” ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-edited-title/766545/259 "2017-01-27T02:54:53Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > I haven’t heard of this show either. What did they just create it to give everyone in Hollywood a job. It’s like Oprah. “You get some episodes and you get some episodes and you get some episodes and you get some episodes.” In addition to putting “old Ted Danson” on the map, Damages also legitimized FX as a quality network. It answered the question “Was ‘The Shield’ a fluke?” with authority. At that point in time (2007) The Shield was solid, but Rescue Me and Nip/Tuck seemed to cloud the network vision of itself. Was this a dramedy channel? Dark humor? Sudsy soaps? Then Damages came along and presaged the direction FX was heading in, typified by Justified, The Americans, and Fargo. ---
**Author:** ![Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e19adc/32.png) [@Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-edited-title/766545/260 "2017-01-27T02:57:18Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > I could have sworn he had grey hair in Becker, loved that show, but I went to IMDB and the photos they have show him as having brown hair. > > Holy crap. Glenn Close, Ted Danson, Judd Hirsch, Martin Short, William Hurt, Mario Van Peebles, John Goodman, (love that man), Lily Tomlin, Darrel Hammond, Jenna Elfman. > > I haven’t heard of this show either. What did they just create it to give everyone in Hollywood a job. It’s like Oprah. “You get some episodes and you get some episodes and you get some episodes and you get some episodes.” It was actually filmed in New York. A friend of mine had a recurring role as Patrick. ---
**Author:** ![blondebear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blondebear/32/1022_2.png) [@blondebear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blondebear)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-edited-title/766545/261 "2017-01-27T03:14:09Z")
I’ll have to check Damages out now. Looking at his credits on IMDB, he started on that show right after Curb Your Enthusiasm. He was good in that, too. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-edited-title/766545.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-edited-title/766545.md?page=14)