# The Good Place \[edited title\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 21, 2016, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-edited-title/766545 "2016-09-21T23:33:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 43
**Author:** ![Wheelz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wheelz/32/5718_2.png) [@Wheelz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wheelz)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2018, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-edited-title/766545/842 "2018-11-14T18:29:31Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > I agree that it’s likely that the fact that our heroes are now doing good without any expectation of reward will be relevant somehow… although it kind of seems like a cheat. Not sure I’d call it a “cheat,” but I’ll be somewhat disappointed if it simply turns out that that’s what gets them into the Good Place. It’s kind of what they’re setting us up to expect; therefore I fully expect that expectation to be subverted at some point. ---
**Author:** ![Disheavel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e274bd/32.png) [@Disheavel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Disheavel)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2018, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-edited-title/766545/843 "2018-11-14T18:41:25Z")
> [@blondebear](#): > > I was a bit disappointed that Eleanor didn’t get a sloth. I was looking forward to the sloth as well; however, I imagine that they/she just couldn’t trust her to keep it together in the sloth’s presence and be able to carry on with any scene. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2018, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-edited-title/766545/844 "2018-11-14T19:00:13Z")
> [@Disheavel](#): > > > [@blondebear](#): > > > > I was a bit disappointed that Eleanor didn’t get a sloth. > > I was looking forward to the sloth as well; however, I imagine that they/she just couldn’t trust her to keep it together in the sloth’s presence and be able to carry on with any scene. Just to make explicit the reason for the sloth reference for those who don’t know, Kristen Bell, the actress who plays Eleanor Shellstrop, is _obsessed_ with sloths, to the point where her husband arranged for one to be at her 31st birthday party. (I first heard about this on the public radio program Wait Wait Don’t Tell Me, but she also described it on Ellen DeGeneres’s talk show.) ---
**Author:** ![amarinth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3be4f8/32.png) [@amarinth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amarinth)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2018, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-edited-title/766545/845 "2018-11-14T19:16:14Z")
Also, how does a sloth run away from you? ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2018, 5:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-edited-title/766545/846 "2018-11-16T05:47:52Z")
What an awesome episode. Michael McKean, of course, killed it as Doug Forsett. And we’re starting to get serious hints that something is serious wrong with the points system to begin with. Plus, a bar fight! And the Scoop family! ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2018, 6:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-edited-title/766545/847 "2018-11-16T06:16:48Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > What an awesome episode. Michael McKean, of course, killed it as Doug Forsett. And we’re starting to get serious hints that something is serious wrong with the points system to begin with. Well, sure. Look there’s exactly one person afawk in the neutral place, and she is pretty nasty. Now, Eleanor and Jason were bad People. But Chidi and Tahani were just imperfect. But They are better than Mindy. (Altho there is some odd things about Mindy, according to wiki “a former corporate lawyer and cocaine addict who one day came up with the idea of a foundation to help people but was killed while on the way to implement the idea. Because of this, her fate in the afterlife became unclear, leading to the creation of the Medium Place as a compromise between the two Places.”)Hmm. Anyway the points system is kinda weird, and certainly not based on Christianity. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2018, 7:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-edited-title/766545/848 "2018-11-16T07:08:45Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > And we’re starting to get serious hints that something is serious wrong with the points system to begin with. Starting to? As soon as it became clear the rules Micheal gave really were the rules, and not something Michael made up to make sure Eleanore couldn’t possibly believe she belonged in the Good Place, it was obvious the system was rotten. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Shine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr_shine/32/464_2.png) [@Mr\_Shine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Shine)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2018, 11:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-edited-title/766545/849 "2018-11-16T11:36:33Z")
Episode: “Don’t Let the Good Life Pass You By” Discussion started in #845 ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2018, 11:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-edited-title/766545/850 "2018-11-16T11:51:27Z")
That was a fun episode. The Calvin Ball-esque Jackson style Pool was hilarious. The fight seen was fun. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2018, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-edited-title/766545/851 "2018-11-16T12:54:18Z")
What other show could include a discussion of the problems with utilitarianism and a bar brawl in the same episode? ---
**Author:** ![gregorio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/fbc32d/32.png) [@gregorio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gregorio)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2018, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-edited-title/766545/852 "2018-11-16T16:31:13Z")
As a Calgarian I have to let you all know there is no “Calgary Times Examiner”. As for the existence of the Puking Moose . . . I won’t rule it out. Looked like it could have been out in Bragg Creek, though. That was fun. ---
**Author:** ![Mikemike2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mikemike2/32/305_2.png) [@Mikemike2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mikemike2)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2018, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-edited-title/766545/853 "2018-11-16T23:28:22Z")
Doug Forcette is living his life solely based on the point system to get into the afterlife. He is doing everything to get the reward of being in the good place. Does he not violate the doctrine of moral dessert? He is only being a good person to get the reward and to not be tortured. That was a fun episode, I thought the season got off to a bit of a slow start, but have really been enjoying the show since the episode with Jason and Dougy Doug. If all the characters are being killed again to go to Janet’s void, does that mean another memory reset? I hope not, they are getting old. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2018, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-edited-title/766545/854 "2018-11-17T01:17:43Z")
Any chance the Janet that exited the portal wasn’t the same Janet that went in? ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2018, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-edited-title/766545/855 "2018-11-17T01:53:08Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > Any chance the Janet that exited the portal wasn’t the same Janet that went in? At the very end (during the final credits) Bad Janet is among the second wave of demons that prompt Good Janet to pull everyone into her void. ---
**Author:** ![blondebear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blondebear/32/1022_2.png) [@blondebear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blondebear)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2018, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-edited-title/766545/856 "2018-11-17T02:26:26Z")
From Chuck McGill to Doug Forcett…quite a change of pace for Michael McKean. (Or is it? :D) ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2018, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-edited-title/766545/857 "2018-11-17T03:18:30Z")
> [@blondebear](#): > > From Chuck McGill to Doug Forcett…quite a change of pace for Michael McKean. (Or is it? :D) Well, they were both kind of living off the grid. Sure beats being Lenny though. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2018, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-edited-title/766545/858 "2018-11-17T04:00:39Z")
> [@Mikemike2](#): > > Doug Forcette is living his life solely based on the point system to get into the afterlife. He is doing everything to get the reward of being in the good place. Does he not violate the doctrine of moral dessert? He is only being a good person to get the reward and to not be tortured…If all the characters are being killed again to go to Janet’s void, does that mean another memory reset? I hope not, they are getting old. Yep, presumably he’s not really earning any point because his motivation is corrupt, which is great irony. Remember he only got 92% right so apparently he missed the part about motivation. I really hope there’s not another memory reset. Maybe this time they could just restore everyone’s memories instead? > [@kunilou](#): > > At the very end (during the final credits) Bad Janet is among the second wave of demons that prompt Good Janet to pull everyone into her void. Well there are multiple Janets, good & bad, but I still think that was our Janet. Bad Janets are incapable of mascaraing random Good Janets, let aloned an envolved self-aware Janet. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2018, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-edited-title/766545/859 "2018-11-17T05:03:09Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > Well there are multiple Janets, good & bad, but I still think that was our Janet. Bad Janets are incapable of mascaraing random Good Janets, let aloned an envolved self-aware Janet. Where do you get your ideas on the limitations of makeup-application skills of Bad Janets? ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2018, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-edited-title/766545/860 "2018-11-17T22:39:10Z")
> [@blondebear](#): > > From Chuck McGill to Doug Forcett…quite a change of pace for Michael McKean. (Or is it? :D) [On snails:] “I don’t name them in case they already have a name they prefer.” Oh, man, the writing on this show is _choice_. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2018, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-edited-title/766545/861 "2018-11-17T23:07:58Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > Where do you get your ideas on the limitations of makeup-application skills of Bad Janets? Maybe from the episode where Michael was seen in a flashback trying to use a bad Janet to act as a good one and she melted? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-edited-title/766545.md?page=42) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-edited-title/766545.md?page=44)