# The Good Place \[edited title\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 21, 2016, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-edited-title/766545 "2016-09-21T23:33:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 49
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2019, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-edited-title/766545/962 "2019-01-08T21:42:27Z")
> [@RealityChuck](#): > > [E! had the best joke of the Golden Globes](https://slate.com/culture/2019/01/jameela-jamil-golden-globes-red-carpet-kamilah-al-jamil-good-place-chyron.html)– and it’s based on _The Good Place_. Funny on so many levels. > > If you don’t want to click on the link: > > Jameela Jamil was identified on the red carpet as Kamilah al-Jamal. > > BTW, Jameela also tweeted that she wore jeans under her dress because it was so cold. Heh… chyron humor. So if they had shown Tehani as a centaur, would that have been Chiron humor? ---
**Author:** ![typoink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@typoink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/typoink)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2019, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-edited-title/766545/963 "2019-01-08T23:02:52Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > Then why not send Chidi to the Neutral Place? Because the Medium Place is weird. It’s not where Medium People go. According to the Good Place wiki, Mindy was sent there not because she was morally “neutral,” but because the Good and Bad Place folks couldn’t reach a consensus for whether she deserved credit for INTENDING to do something that would have gotten her into the Good Place but dying before she personally achieved it. I think Mindy’s case also plays into what I think is the growing story of the show: the Bad Place isn’t “hacking the system.” The system is fundamentally broken, and judging point totals for actions is the wrong approach. ---
**Author:** ![Yookeroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yookeroo/32/323_2.png) [@Yookeroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yookeroo)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-edited-title/766545/964 "2019-01-09T01:27:47Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > That’s quite often true. Look, for instance, at how people have analyzed Quidditch and found that the scoring makes no sense. It really didn’t take much analysis. Maybe a minute or so. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-edited-title/766545/965 "2019-01-11T03:09:07Z")
Not sure how I feel about the point revelation in this episode. But I did enjoy Nicole Byer’s turn as the mailwoman. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-edited-title/766545/966 "2019-01-11T05:55:25Z")
Four Oreos From Heaven. Band name. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 6:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-edited-title/766545/967 "2019-01-11T06:48:06Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Not sure how I feel about the point revelation in this episode. It’s an interesting idea… but would it really have started 500 years ago? Presumably there were plenty of indigenous people 500 years ago whose lives had not yet been massively overcomplicated by the intricacies of modern industrialized society. Definitely a fun episode, however. Tahani’s favorite smell is the smell of the curtain closing between first class and coach 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Shine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr_shine/32/464_2.png) [@Mr\_Shine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Shine)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 11:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-edited-title/766545/968 "2019-01-11T11:31:05Z")
Episode: “The Book of Dougs” Discussion started in #964 I’ve given up Netflix temporarily in favour of Amazon Prime and will probably not see any of the rest of the season until it’s over, so could I request that the first person to start talking about a new episode\* makes it clear\* this is where the new episode discussion starts? Or at least one of the next couple of posters make a post like this one? ---
**Author:** ![N9IWP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/n9iwp/32/3154_2.png) [@N9IWP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N9IWP)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 11:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-edited-title/766545/969 "2019-01-11T11:39:11Z")
You can watch on [nbc.com](http://nbc.com) for free (with ads) Brian ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Shine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr_shine/32/464_2.png) [@Mr\_Shine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Shine)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 12:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-edited-title/766545/970 "2019-01-11T12:09:33Z")
> [@N9IWP](#): > > You can watch on [nbc.com](http://nbc.com) for free (with ads) > > Brian Not in the UK ---
**Author:** ![SykoSkotty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c0e974/32.png) [@SykoSkotty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SykoSkotty)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-edited-title/766545/971 "2019-01-11T16:02:02Z")
Tahani had me rolling with laughter last night - she got the best lines. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-edited-title/766545/972 "2019-01-11T19:40:28Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Not sure how I feel about the point revelation in this episode. > > But I did enjoy Nicole Byer’s turn as the mailwoman. I don’t think the show is trying to say the change in how points are allocated is fair or right. Rather, that is that is how the Bad Place gamed the system. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-edited-title/766545/973 "2019-01-11T19:46:00Z")
I get that. I think I’m just hoping for a resolution that is “The point system is fundamentally flawed” and not “We’ve re-weighted the point system and everything is fine (maybe).” ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-edited-title/766545/974 "2019-01-11T19:47:54Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > I get that. I think I’m just hoping for a resolution that is “The point system is fundamentally flawed” and not “We’ve re-weighted the point system and everything is fine (maybe).” My suspicion is that that’s the conversation that Michael is hoping to have with the Judge in the next episode. Of course, it being Michael, everything will go pear-shaped almost instantly. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-edited-title/766545/975 "2019-01-11T19:48:49Z")
It’s Good to be back, but it wasn’t one of the better episodes. Heaven as a cheerful, banal and naïve legalistic collective doesn’t really seem that great. Maybe it’s better for the actual humans in it, but the Council really didn’t seem very concerned about humans. Eleanor seemed to ricochet from one emotional outburst to another. But, there were good parts. I liked Michael’s realization that the point system was broken, not hacked. Loved D’Arcy Carden / Janet as usual. (“I’m worried that my emotions will start leaking out. (whisper) What if they come out my _butt_?” Chidi in the mail outfit was sweet and I loved that Michael wouldn’t give him a minute to change before heading out to IHOP. “Is everything all right in there?” “Um, yes, we’re fine…” “Okay! No follow-up questions!” ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-edited-title/766545/976 "2019-01-11T21:24:25Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > Heaven as a cheerful, banal and naïve legalistic collective doesn’t really seem that great. I definitely agree with that, and I hope we’ll learn that there’s something more going on. “Good people can’t get stuff done because they spend all their time forming well-meaning committees” is an INCREDIBLY trite and banal bit of social commentary, which _The Good Place_ is usually better than. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-edited-title/766545/977 "2019-01-11T21:43:57Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > I definitely agree with that, and I hope we’ll learn that there’s something more going on. “Good people can’t get stuff done because they spend all their time forming well-meaning committees” is an INCREDIBLY trite and banal bit of social commentary, which _The Good Place_ is usually better than. I viewed it more as, “the scoring system is a mess, and most of the actual ‘good people’ can’t actually get into the place, as a result. So, the God Place winds up being filled with painfully nice, well-meaning people, who never actually do anything.” ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-edited-title/766545/978 "2019-01-11T22:01:15Z")
Is the committee good people or the angelic counterpart to the accountants and the demons? ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-edited-title/766545/979 "2019-01-11T22:37:14Z")
The current system seems to discount intent when it determines points primarily based on unintended consequences. I know there is a name for the debate over which matters more from an ethical culpability and responsibility perspective, intent or consequences, but I can’t remember what the argument is called. Anyone? ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2019, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-edited-title/766545/980 "2019-01-12T01:57:55Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Is the committee good people or the angelic counterpart to the accountants and the demons? Yep; committee members being higher ranking than the mailwoman. > [@kenobi\_65](#): > > My suspicion is that that’s the conversation that Michael is hoping to have with the Judge in the next episode. > > Of course, it being Michael, everything will go pear-shaped almost instantly. 😃 I can’t wait to see that. > [@MaxTheVool](#): > > It’s an interesting idea… but would it really have started 500 years ago? Presumably there were plenty of indigenous people 500 years ago whose lives had not yet been massively overcomplicated by the intricacies of modern industrialized society… There are still isolated tribes living more or less the same way their ancestors did 500 years ago; presumably it shouldn’t be any harder for them to get into the Good Place. Also there’s still the matter of intellectually disabled people or people who die in childhood or infancy that the show hasn’t addressed (not that I think they ever will). ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2019, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-edited-title/766545/981 "2019-01-12T02:10:24Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > “Is everything all right in there?” > “Um, yes, we’re fine…” > “Okay! No follow-up questions!” The mailwoman was a wonderful character. “Michael, have you all been lying to me this whole time? That upsets me! I’m gonna try to shake my fist at you!” _lifts hand, begins waving cheerily, looks at hand_ “Oh, gosh darn it!” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-edited-title/766545.md?page=48) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-edited-title/766545.md?page=50)