# The Good Place season 4 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 27, 2019, 10:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-season-4/840903 "2019-09-27T10:08:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2020, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-season-4/840903/281 "2020-02-10T19:40:42Z")
> [@Mikemike2](#): > > It does seem that anything would be boring if it lasts forever. I agree, I don’t think it’s a cop out but a logical response to the idea that the good place lasts an eternity. Eternity is an awfully long time. I recall one discussion of heaven that took an economic view. Things that happen in the future are less ideal than things happening right now. If heaven is a place of absolute ideal-ness, then it must be a white hot instant of every possible wonderful thing happening at the same time, followed by nothing. I like this Good Place a lot better. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2020, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-season-4/840903/282 "2020-02-10T20:15:25Z")
I find it fascinating how many Christians (in general, not necessarily anyone here) believe in an omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent God who created the heavens and the earth and everything else in the universe but who can’t seem to figure out how to make the afterlife enjoyable. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2020, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-season-4/840903/283 "2020-02-10T20:30:05Z")
Hmm. This talk makes me circle back to whether it’s a satisfying ending. Specifically, whether they represented eternity/Jeremy Bearimy accurately :). The way “eternity” is presented is as “a really long time without ever stopping.” And Jeremy Bearimies are presented as occurring sequentially and as an accumulation of time. But “eternity” doesn’t mean “infinite chronological sequence” necessarily (or even technically). It can mean “outside of time.” And doesn’t Jeremy Bearimy loop back on itself? If the afterlife doesn’t involve experiencing time sequentially, if it’s recursive, then it doesn’t need to get boring. A book might end, but it doesn’t cease to exist when the last page is reached. In the same way that Janet doesn’t seem to grow tired of things, because she experiences time differently, perhaps changing the perception of time would be a good fix to the afterlife. I imagine that Ted Danson dies, comes back, and is like, “Eleanor! ELEANOR! I’ve got a great new fix for the Good Place so that nobody needs to die! Eleanor?” ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2020, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-season-4/840903/284 "2020-02-10T21:30:12Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Hmm. This talk makes me circle back to whether it’s a satisfying ending. Specifically, whether they represented eternity/Jeremy Bearimy accurately :). > > The way “eternity” is presented is as “a really long time without ever stopping.” And Jeremy Bearimies are presented as occurring sequentially and as an accumulation of time. > > But “eternity” doesn’t mean “infinite chronological sequence” necessarily (or even technically). It can mean “outside of time.” And doesn’t Jeremy Bearimy loop back on itself? > > If the afterlife doesn’t involve experiencing time sequentially, if it’s recursive, then it doesn’t need to get boring. A book might end, but it doesn’t cease to exist when the last page is reached. In the same way that Janet doesn’t seem to grow tired of things, because she experiences time differently, perhaps changing the perception of time would be a good fix to the afterlife. I took Jeremy Bearimy to mean basically that time loops around in the afterlife _relative_ to time on Earth. But really, it’s best not take Jeremy Bearimy seriously. It’s a very funny joke meant to explain why they could live 800 lives and still end up back on earth in 2018. But also, everyone keeps talking about the afterlife being **boring**. But that’s NOT what they said. Here’s what Patty said: > [@](#): > > All your desires and needs are met, but it’s infinite, and when perfection goes on forever, you become this glassy-eyed mush person. > ~ > I used to be cool, man. > I studied so much things. > Art and music and the, um, the one with the number piles? Where I’d be like, “Two!” and you’d be like, “Six!” - Math? - Yes! And then I came here where time stretched out forever, and every second of my existence was amazing, but my brain became this big dumb blob. Basically, there’s no more challenge any more. There’s no mystery. And that’s what the door is. It’s not about death. It’s about a mystery. The last mystery that even Janet doesn’t know. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2020, 10:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-season-4/840903/285 "2020-02-11T10:36:44Z")
The one loose thread we didn’t get wrapped up: where did the Committee go? They all stepped down and ran off to…where? Somewhere else in the Good Place? Another dimension? The Void Between the Worlds? BTW I rewatched and spotted Trevor - he flies by very fast indeed in the background screaming when Michael and Tahani are talking to Doorman Frog Guy. Also spotted: Brent is on afterlife number 15,000-something. He’s definitely going to take a while to level up. ---
**Author:** ![elfkin477](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a9a28c/32.png) [@elfkin477](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elfkin477)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2020, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-season-4/840903/286 "2020-02-12T00:54:18Z")
Meh. I didn’t like this season in general and really hated the final 2 episodes. I’m honestly surprised that anyone found this conclusion satisfying. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2020, 8:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-season-4/840903/287 "2020-02-12T08:54:31Z")
> [@Disheavel](#): > > The background music by Arvo Pärt (Spiegel im Spiegel) is just as magical as the speech. We once had it on repeat for 3 days at our house. It never gets old, it never speeds up, it just goes. I hope the service for kaylasmom was everything you all needed. Thank you; it was everything she could have wished for. And I DID include that speech. 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![zbuzz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e19b73/32.png) [@zbuzz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zbuzz)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2020, 8:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-season-4/840903/288 "2020-02-12T08:57:47Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > The TV Tropes page linked to above posits that the little sparks that were a person’s soul (or at least Eleanor’s) bond with other souls to make them a little bit better - I don’t know if this is canon but it explains why the neighbor, having thrown away Michael’s junkmail, turned around and retrieved it. I like the idea that, along with fitting into the wave/ocean analogy, they became “the little voice in your head” helping you become a better version of yourself, whether it’s delivering someone else’s mail or not using use the fact that everyone’s distracted to go back and steal more olives. ---
**Author:** ![zbuzz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e19b73/32.png) [@zbuzz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zbuzz)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2020, 9:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-season-4/840903/289 "2020-02-12T09:09:27Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Janet doesn’t experience time like everyone else. She lives in all times at once. according to her. So she’s still with them, just as she always was, and always will be, I guess. Wow, Janet is Dr. Manhattan. Which means it doesn’t rain squid in Watchmen; it rains shrimp, which means someone in the world of Watchmen doesn’t really belong there. We’re through the looking glass here, people. ---
**Author:** ![ebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c57346/32.png) [@ebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ebb)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2020, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-season-4/840903/290 "2020-02-12T14:00:16Z")
> [@zbuzz](#): > > Wow, Janet is Dr. Manhattan. > > Which means it doesn’t rain squid in Watchmen; it rains shrimp, which means someone in the world of Watchmen doesn’t really belong there. > > We’re through the looking glass here, people. “Not a doctor.” ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2020, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-season-4/840903/291 "2020-02-12T16:16:35Z")
> [@zbuzz](#): > > Wow, Janet is Dr. Manhattan. > > Which means it doesn’t rain squid in Watchmen; it rains shrimp, which means someone in the world of Watchmen doesn’t really belong there. > > We’re through the looking glass here, people. I thought of her more like the bots from Westworld. She can’t really see the future (otherwise she wouldn’t be surprised that Jason was still around), but remembering events are just like living them to her. ---
**Author:** ![Ashtura](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ashtura/32/2963_2.png) [@Ashtura](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ashtura)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2020, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-season-4/840903/292 "2020-02-12T16:22:26Z")
How does time work in the afterlife in this show? It is implied they were in heaven for eons doing everything you could possibly do, then Michael gets sent to earth’s present, which couldn’t be more than a few years after Eleanor’s death? ---
**Author:** ![gregorio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/fbc32d/32.png) [@gregorio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gregorio)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2020, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-season-4/840903/293 "2020-02-12T16:27:46Z")
It’s all Jeremy Bearimy. And they’re somewhere around the dot in the “i” iirc. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2020, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-season-4/840903/294 "2020-02-13T15:00:56Z")
I just binged every season over the past couple weeks and I gotta say this show is very good. Take Jason, in every other show he would have gotten progressively dumber until he became a caricature of a character, here instead he grows and gets smarter. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2020, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-season-4/840903/295 "2020-02-13T16:03:58Z")
> [@Ashtura](#): > > How does time work in the afterlife in this show? It is implied they were in heaven for eons doing everything you could possibly do, then Michael gets sent to earth’s present, which couldn’t be more than a few years after Eleanor’s death? [Jeremy Bearimy, Baby.](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjo0KCz887nAhVPlKwKHeQEBbUQwqsBMAB6BAgKEAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DRFm9ClqlGuo&usg=AOvVaw1MQSqzZKhor6ekG74_hm2I) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-season-4/840903.md?page=14)