# The Good Place season 4 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 27, 2019, 10:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-season-4/840903 "2019-09-27T10:08:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Poysyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Poysyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Poysyn)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2019, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-season-4/840903/21 "2019-10-01T13:41:39Z")
I continue to be super impressed and love this show so much. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2019, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-season-4/840903/22 "2019-10-01T14:38:01Z")
> [@Calavera](#): > > I’m not going back to watch the episode so am just spitballing, but I’m guessing she may have seen the name “Chidi Abagonye”(sp?) in lists of professors etc. Her actual interactions with that man are removed, but things like casually seeing his name in lists are not. Yeah, that’s what she said. She doesn’t remember Chidi, just the name. ---
**Author:** ![DinoR](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dinor/32/2821_2.png) [@DinoR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DinoR)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2019, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-season-4/840903/23 "2019-10-01T16:33:43Z")
There was a digital only release, The Selection, of six 2-3 minute parts. It’s the story of how Shawn and his minions selected the bad place candidates for this seasons main arc. I thought it was really funny. All six episodes are available on The Good Place’s Youtube [channel](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCSUSlzRr_tOotEhjkNrzbXw) for those that want to check it out. ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2019, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-season-4/840903/24 "2019-10-01T22:09:07Z")
> [@DinoR](#): > > All six episodes are available on The Good Place’s Youtube [channel](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCSUSlzRr_tOotEhjkNrzbXw) for those that want to check it out. And of course they were uploaded in the wrong order. Because demons. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Shoeless](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shoeless/32/7099_2.png) [@Shoeless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shoeless)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2019, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-season-4/840903/25 "2019-10-02T12:34:09Z")
In one of the street scenes there was a restaurant in the background, it looked like Lasagne something but I couldn’t read the entire name. Did anyone catch it? I assume it was another one of their joke restaurant names. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2019, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-season-4/840903/26 "2019-10-02T13:43:55Z")
> [@Shoeless](#): > > In one of the street scenes there was a restaurant in the background, it looked like Lasagne something but I couldn’t read the entire name. Did anyone catch it? I assume it was another one of their joke restaurant names. IIRC, _Lasagne Come Out Tomorrow_. That one took me a moment to unpick, but I did laugh. ---
**Author:** ![Poysyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Poysyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Poysyn)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2019, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-season-4/840903/27 "2019-10-04T17:58:04Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > IIRC, _Lasagne Come Out Tomorrow_. That one took me a moment to unpick, but I did laugh. Much better if you _sing_ it 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2019, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-season-4/840903/28 "2019-10-04T18:34:07Z")
There is something that I need to get off my chest: you’re all ungrateful ash-faces who can shove your fat grumps all the way up your snork-box. ---
**Author:** ![Marvin\_the\_Martian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/marvin_the_martian/32/2898_2.png) [@Marvin\_the\_Martian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marvin_the_Martian)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2019, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-season-4/840903/29 "2019-10-04T19:16:49Z")
Episode 2: A Girl from Arizona part 2 They got Brent to start acting better with the idea of The Best Place, but doesn’t that invalidate any improvement based on the concept of “moral dessert”? The same problem that got the Soul Squad disqualified for the Good Place themselves? Also, I think we can assume we still have the real Michael - no way Vicki in a Michael skin suit is that good an actor. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2019, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-season-4/840903/30 "2019-10-04T21:20:38Z")
Yes and discussed. Idea is that like her he can fake it til he makes it. That she began just pretending but then began doing to to good for real. This one seemed a bit lacking to me. I’m hoping it ramps up some more. ---
**Author:** ![Marvin\_the\_Martian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/marvin_the_martian/32/2898_2.png) [@Marvin\_the\_Martian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marvin_the_Martian)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2019, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-season-4/840903/31 "2019-10-05T04:15:54Z")
Brand name on the giant golf balls during the chaos sequence: Entitleist ---
**Author:** ![Misnomer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/misnomer/32/14897_2.png) [@Misnomer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Misnomer)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-season-4/840903/32 "2019-10-06T14:23:39Z")
> [@DinoR](#): > > There was a digital only release, The Selection, of six 2-3 minute parts. It’s the story of how Shawn and his minions selected the bad place candidates for this seasons main arc. I thought it was really funny. > > All six episodes are available on The Good Place’s Youtube [channel](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCSUSlzRr_tOotEhjkNrzbXw) for those that want to check it out. I watched it yesterday via Apple TV – I bought a season pass for S4, and it’s included – and agree. Worth seeing. 🙂 The whole thing is about 14 minutes long. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2019, 9:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-season-4/840903/33 "2019-10-07T09:39:28Z")
> [@Marvin\_the\_Martian](#): > > Brand name on the giant golf balls during the chaos sequence: Entitleist Ooh, that’s good. The next question is: how do they get the other two (or even the other three) to believe that they need to engage in a course of self-improvement? ---
**Author:** ![Marvin\_the\_Martian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/marvin_the_martian/32/2898_2.png) [@Marvin\_the\_Martian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marvin_the_Martian)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2019, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-season-4/840903/34 "2019-10-07T16:36:44Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > The next question is: how do they get the other two (or even the other three) to believe that they need to engage in a course of self-improvement? I’m not sure they are going to get there. Right now the show seems set on a predictable, straightforward course - which means that we are due for a massive shift in direction. The only thing predictable about this show is that it is unpredictable. Although I did see that the book Chidi summoned was going to bop him in the head from a mile away - which is more than Chidi saw. I am thinking that the neighborhood setup will turn out to not be the right environment for improvement. Three of the original four showed only marginal improvement, at least in the final reboot of the old neighborhood - remember that three of them failed the comically simple tests the judge set up (while Eleanor passed her much more difficult test). They all made much more progress when back on earth having confronted their near-death experiences - to the point when they agreed to try to save others when they were doomed to the bad place by discovering the “moral dessert”. After all, the root cause of the dysfunctional afterlife is the exponential increase in unintended consequences from otherwise well-intentioned actions. “The road to hell is paved with good intentions” turns out to be true. ---
**Author:** ![Wheelz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wheelz/32/5718_2.png) [@Wheelz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wheelz)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2019, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-season-4/840903/35 "2019-10-07T19:28:24Z")
My opinion was that the season got off to a rocky start with an episode that was kind of all over the place. But they got their mojo back in a big way with episode 2. Much better focus, with clear stakes and consequences, forward-moving plot, great laughs balanced with poignancy, and some excellent character moments. If the rest of the final season continues this strong, it’s going to be a fantastic finish! ---
**Author:** ![Mikemike2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mikemike2/32/305_2.png) [@Mikemike2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mikemike2)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2019, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-season-4/840903/36 "2019-10-09T16:41:27Z")
> [@Johnny\_Ecks](#): > > It’s been pointed out elsewhere on the internet- I’m not going to take credit for the theory- that Michael went into the train- but was it Michael who came out? The recap helpfully reminded us that the bad place has a Michael suit, and the whole fake human gambit was a bit clumsy… maybe deliberately so… > [@Fair\_Rarity](#): > > Something definitely happened there. Why show us such an inconsequential scene if it wasn’t secretly consequential? I agree. I immediately thought Michael was switched when he went on the train. Otherwise that whole scene with the fake human was of no use. I have watched the Michael scenes closely, but there does not seem to be any hint he is switched, and he seems much more thoughtful than a switched Michael would be. So no prediction, but something is up. ---
**Author:** ![Mikemike2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mikemike2/32/305_2.png) [@Mikemike2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mikemike2)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2019, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-season-4/840903/37 "2019-10-09T17:22:47Z")
It also struck me as funny that Michael would go into “enemy territory”, which is the train from the bad place, to deliver the prisoner. I would just expect that people from the train would come out to escort the prisoner onto the train. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ecks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/bcef8e/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ecks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ecks)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2019, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-season-4/840903/38 "2019-10-09T19:38:46Z")
How about this scenario: Michael was switched, Vicki in a Michael suit is taking Michaels place, using her love of acting(remember that playing a bigger part was her main motivation in season one) and hundreds of years observing Michael to blend in perfectly. Ultimately, by imitating him she has the same moral epiphany he did, and ultimately saves humanity by demonstrating to the judge that anyone can change. ---
**Author:** ![Mikemike2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mikemike2/32/305_2.png) [@Mikemike2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mikemike2)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2019, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-season-4/840903/39 "2019-10-10T15:14:15Z")
> [@Johnny\_Ecks](#): > > How about this scenario: Michael was switched, Vicki in a Michael suit is taking Michaels place, using her love of acting(remember that playing a bigger part was her main motivation in season one) and hundreds of years observing Michael to blend in perfectly. Ultimately, by imitating him she has the same moral epiphany he did, and ultimately saves humanity by demonstrating to the judge that anyone can change. Could be, as I said something is up. But Vicki observed the bad Michael for 800 years, and was not really there to see him become good. Plus her mannerisms where exaggerated when she was in the Michael suit. So if she is pulling it off, she is doing great, lol. ---
**Author:** ![Calavera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calavera/32/70_2.png) [@Calavera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Calavera)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2019, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-season-4/840903/40 "2019-10-11T16:30:31Z")
Episode 3: Chillaxing Right on cue, some deathlike guy coming to presumably upend the plot and start it in a new direction. Eleanor getting to like torturing Chidi isn’t looking good for the results of the original group. I loved Jason being “useness” John+Tahini was not fun at all, I didn’t enjoy any of their interaction, I get they’re going for “enjoyable annoying” but John is just “annoying annoying” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-season-4/840903.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-season-4/840903.md?page=3)