# The Good Place season 4 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 27, 2019, 10:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-season-4/840903 "2019-09-27T10:08:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![SykoSkotty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c0e974/32.png) [@SykoSkotty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SykoSkotty)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2020, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-season-4/840903/141 "2020-01-13T13:35:36Z")
I think “Joanie Loves Tchotchkes” wins for best sign of the entire series. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2020, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-season-4/840903/142 "2020-01-16T01:56:08Z")
I somehow forgot to subscribe to this thread, so I have a whole season’s worth of thoughts. But only a few that I still remember: -Overall, a fun season. I think there was maybe one episode too many in the status of quo of Brent and John and Simone, but since we’ve moved past that, things are very entertaining and interesting -The good place committee continues to be a one-note joke, and a not very funny one at that. I’ve probably ranted this before, but it just seems like a lowest common denominator super obvious mental image. “haha, they are supposed to be good, but they are just silly crunchy ineffectual hippies, ha ha”. Not like I’ve actually seen hundreds of previous TV shows in which we meet the committee who rules heaven and they’re ineffectual lightweights… but it somehow _feels_ that I have. -Guest star Timothy Olyphant was one of the best things in the entire run of the show My one main complaint is that I did not at all buy the logic of the “Shawn is suddenly on our side” switch. There had _better_ be more to it than that. Because it really just felt like “hey, Shawn is funny, and Marc Evan Jackson is super nice and runs the show’s podcast and all… aww, heck, let’s let him hang out with team cockroach”. He HATES them. Sure he enjoys fighting against them. So Michael should have pitched it that way. “Option 1: the universe restarts, and you are bored for a billion years, and then who knows, and all of us who you hate are gone. Option 2: for EVERY SINGLE HUMAN WHO EVER DIES we have to have an argument about how best to judge/rate/improve them, you get to argue with us millions of times per day forever”. But particularly after his immediate rejection of their previous (semi-reasonable) attempt to so convince him, it seemed pretty unbelievable that suddenly he was swayed by sentiment. Sure, for a human being maybe there’s a fine line between love and hate. But for a demon? Anyhow, still a great show overall, eager for tonight. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2020, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-season-4/840903/143 "2020-01-16T02:32:09Z")
What if… They’re all ALREADY in the training loop - for lack of a better phrase - and them inventing it again is a sign that they’re becoming better? ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2020, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-season-4/840903/144 "2020-01-16T02:55:55Z")
What if… people didn’t post theoretical spoilers? Sent from my moto g(7) power using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2020, 10:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-season-4/840903/145 "2020-01-16T10:57:41Z")
I still find it weird that the best person (according to the old system) to have lived for the last 500 years was Mindy St Clair. That must be one helluva charity. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2020, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-season-4/840903/146 "2020-01-16T14:18:39Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > -The good place committee continues to be a one-note joke, and a not very funny one at that. I’ve probably ranted this before, but it just seems like a lowest common denominator super obvious mental image. “haha, they are supposed to be good, but they are just silly crunchy ineffectual hippies, ha ha”. Not like I’ve actually seen hundreds of previous TV shows in which we meet the committee who rules heaven and they’re ineffectual lightweights… but it somehow _feels_ that I have. Remember Doug Forcett became a total doormat after he’d figured out the system. The Good Place Committee are very much the same. Maybe the system isn’t rigged, but rather the Good Place Committee had decided that only people like themselves should go there, and no one likes being a doormat. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2020, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-season-4/840903/147 "2020-01-16T14:57:14Z")
Speaking of which: my WAG of the last scene is Doug waking up in the waiting room and being called in to the office. Because we gotta have Doug closure. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2020, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-season-4/840903/148 "2020-01-16T16:22:49Z")
> [@Jonathan\_Chance](#): > > What if… > > They’re all ALREADY in the training loop - for lack of a better phrase - and them inventing it again is a sign that they’re becoming better? The only problem with that idea is all the scenes we’ve seen without the Soul Squad. Like the scenes between Shawn and Michael. > [@Gyrate](#): > > I still find it weird that the best person (according to the old system) to have lived for the last 500 years was Mindy St Clair. That must be one helluva charity. Mindy is not the best person. The issue was whether or not Mindy should get credit for her charity, which technically wasn’t made until after she died. Since they couldn’t settle it, Gen made a medium place for her. If Mindy had continued to live, she would’ve ended up in the Bad Place like everyone else. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2020, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-season-4/840903/149 "2020-01-16T16:24:11Z")
> [@needscoffee](#): > > What if… people didn’t post theoretical spoilers? > > Sent from my moto g(7) power using Tapatalk What the heck is a “theoretical spoiler”? Isn’t that just a guess how the story will go? ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2020, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-season-4/840903/150 "2020-01-16T20:53:36Z")
The Spoiler Police are now looking to ban pre-spoilers. That’s right, to prevent speculation potentially being right and thus ruining a show for the spoiler-averse, guesses will now be treated the same as outright giving away the plot for recently-aired episodes. D. _Luke, I am your sled_ Odds ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2020, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-season-4/840903/151 "2020-01-16T21:55:40Z")
> [@D\_Odds](#): > > The Spoiler Police are now looking to ban pre-spoilers. That’s right, to prevent speculation potentially being right and thus ruining a show for the spoiler-averse, guesses will now be treated the same as outright giving away the plot for recently-aired episodes. > > D. _Luke, I am your sled_ Odds I wish you had marked your post as a spoiler alert!☹ ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2020, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-season-4/840903/152 "2020-01-16T22:04:17Z")
I know it’s picky, but if, say, someone had proffered a guess ahead of time that Darth Vader was Luke’s father, it would have spoiled the surprise nonetheless. I guess I’ll just unsubscribe from this thread so I don’t have surprises accidentally revealed. Carry on. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2020, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-season-4/840903/153 "2020-01-16T22:12:09Z")
OK, but it’s _very_ common in threads about TV shows and movies for us to speculate what’s going to happen. ---
**Author:** ![Calavera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calavera/32/70_2.png) [@Calavera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Calavera)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2020, 12:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-season-4/840903/154 "2020-01-17T12:04:06Z")
Episode 11: Mondays, am I right? Well that’s it, what a good series finale. The afterlife is sorted out and our heroes are on their way to their thoroughly deserved Good Place reward… 2 more episodes? OK that was a decent enough “move the plot along” episode, but didn’t really have many good individual moments, and the movement in plot wasn’t that interesting. Certainly the Good Place needs improving and there’s one girl from Arizona who can get it done within 2 episodes. ---
**Author:** ![Marvin\_the\_Martian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/marvin_the_martian/32/2898_2.png) [@Marvin\_the\_Martian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marvin_the_Martian)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2020, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-season-4/840903/155 "2020-01-17T15:03:17Z")
“Holy mother forking shirt balls, they’re not taking us to the Good Place - because they can’t. THIS is the Good Place.” ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2020, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-season-4/840903/156 "2020-01-17T16:13:45Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > OK, but it’s _very_ common in threads about TV shows and movies for us to speculate what’s going to happen. Given that this ep was a not much to comment on one (which makes me fear this show will peter out more than end on a note as strong as it has been the rest of its run), I’ll comment on this. I’m torn. On the one hand, yeah speculation about what happens next is part of the fun about sharing shows in real time, and something that gets lost when shows are dumped for binging. The other side is the season one Westworld internet collective intelligence nothing confirmed but still sort of spoiler by sharing the solved puzzle widely with those who were still working the puzzle out themselves. Some speculations should be spoiler boxed. I don’t think what has been here is of the Westworld sort. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2020, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-season-4/840903/157 "2020-01-17T16:20:20Z")
Honestly, if you’re worried about this type of speculation, these threads are not for you. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2020, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-season-4/840903/158 "2020-01-19T20:55:34Z")
Well, that certainly felt like series finale even if the ending was kinda abrupt. Sent from my SM-G975U using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2020, 11:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-season-4/840903/159 "2020-01-20T11:58:32Z")
Apart from the joy that was “chainsaw bears”, the big surprise in this episode was Jason outmanoeuvring Chidi. Jason’s been getting more and more on point in recent episodes (his previous trolley problem analogy was another example, even if he then promptly over-Jasoned it) which is a sign of definite growth and maturity, even if he remains an idiot. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2020, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-season-4/840903/160 "2020-01-22T17:01:36Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Apart from the joy that was “chainsaw bears”, the big surprise in this episode was Jason outmanoeuvring Chidi. Jason’s been getting more and more on point in recent episodes (his previous trolley problem analogy was another example, even if he then promptly over-Jasoned it) which is a sign of definite growth and maturity, even if he remains an idiot. He’s read some books. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-season-4/840903.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-place-season-4/840903.md?page=9)