# The GOP and Race **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [August 29, 2013, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gop-and-race/667522 "2013-08-29T19:06:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2013, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gop-and-race/667522/281 "2013-09-08T23:20:08Z")
In 2012, it was 4 points: [http://www.cnn.com/election/2012/results/race/president](http://www.cnn.com/election/2012/results/race/president) It appears that the gender gap is more prevalent among minorities, increasing to double digits. ---
**Author:** ![Conservian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c57346/32.png) [@Conservian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Conservian)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gop-and-race/667522/282 "2013-09-09T00:12:59Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > Bullshit. Is that how they’re trying to hide it now? > And you took the bait. LOL. “Hide it”? Excerpts: “Intelligent Design (ID) refers to a theory of origins or a scientific research program. In addition, the term is used to describe the community of philosophers, scholars, and scientists who are seeking evidence of design in nature. The scientific theory of intelligent design holds that; “ certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection.” “ID theorists draw exclusively upon empirical evidence to support the existence of a creative intelligence or designer. ID purports that design can be detected without any understanding of who the designer is or why the agent acted, or even how the phenomenon in question was actually produced. ID is a unique scientific position that stands in stark contrast to naturalistic, materialistic philosophy of science which puts forth abiogenesis rather then intelligent agents as the main mechanism that created biological systems for sustaining life. It can also clearly be distinguished from religious creationism in that it stakes no claim regarding the specific identity of the creator, nor does it use references from scripture when forming theories about the history of the world. In fact, many ID theorists support the idea of common descent and billions of years of time. ID simply postulates that certain features within the cosmos present clear evidence of being deliberately and intelligently designed.” “By taking this position, intelligent design has been welcomed in some government schools and in industries that normally hold prejudices against religious creationism. For example, the ID documentary titled Unlocking the Mystery of Life has been shown on PBS television in several states in the USA” > **[Intelligent design - CreationWiki, the encyclopedia of creation science](http://creationwiki.org/Intelligent_design)** ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gop-and-race/667522/283 "2013-09-09T00:17:05Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > As Kevin Drum puts it, “Even with Eric Cantor twisting arms he couldn’t find a single Republican willing to attend. I guess they were all afraid that Fox News would televise it and some of their constituents might find out they were there.” **Standing beside Obama,** yet. I think that’s the part they really wanted to avoid. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gop-and-race/667522/284 "2013-09-09T00:18:54Z")
> [@Conservian](#): > > "Intelligent Design (ID) refers to a theory of origins or a scientific research program. See post #276. Hint: A hypothesis is not a scientific one if it is not falsifiable. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gop-and-race/667522/285 "2013-09-09T00:19:07Z")
I think that’s completely wrong. Cantor has stood beside Obama before. It’s the context. Doing it at an MLK event would be uncontroversial. I think the Republicans are being perfectly straight about what happened. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gop-and-race/667522/286 "2013-09-09T00:21:54Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > I think that’s completely wrong. Cantor has stood beside Obama before. It’s the context. Doing it at an MLK event would be uncontroversial. > > I think the Republicans are being perfectly straight about what happened. Straight about what? I understand why the Bushes could not attend, but why could not Cantor find **any** Republican to attend? I’ve seen no explanation of that as yet. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gop-and-race/667522/287 "2013-09-09T00:24:02Z")
Because they were treated like dirt and you always have to be wary of a setup. Democrats have shown that they are not above trying to embarrass Republicans even at solemn events. Standing next to Obama wasn’t the problem, it’s standing next to him while he takes partisan jabs and taking it with a smile that they didn’t want. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gop-and-race/667522/288 "2013-09-09T00:24:36Z")
> [@Conservian](#): > > LOL. “Hide it”? > > Excerpts: > > “Intelligent Design (ID) refers to a theory of origins or a scientific research program. In addition, the term is used to describe the community of philosophers, scholars, and scientists who are seeking evidence of design in nature. The scientific theory of intelligent design holds that; > “ certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection.” > > “ID theorists draw exclusively upon empirical evidence to support the existence of a creative intelligence or designer. ID purports that design can be detected without any understanding of who the designer is or why the agent acted, or even how the phenomenon in question was actually produced. ID is a unique scientific position that stands in stark contrast to naturalistic, materialistic philosophy of science which puts forth abiogenesis rather then intelligent agents as the main mechanism that created biological systems for sustaining life. It can also clearly be distinguished from religious creationism in that it stakes no claim regarding the specific identity of the creator, nor does it use references from scripture when forming theories about the history of the world. In fact, many ID theorists support the idea of common descent and billions of years of time. ID simply postulates that certain features within the cosmos present clear evidence of being deliberately and intelligently designed.” > > “By taking this position, intelligent design has been welcomed in some government schools and in industries that normally hold prejudices against religious creationism. For example, the ID documentary titled Unlocking the Mystery of Life has been shown on PBS television in several states in the USA” > [Intelligent design - CreationWiki, the encyclopedia of creation science](http://creationwiki.org/Intelligent_design) That’s an unbiased source to be sure. :rolleyes: [Intelligent Design.org](http://www.intelligentdesign.org/whatisid.php) > [@](#): > > Intelligent design refers to a scientific research program as well as a community of scientists, philosophers and other scholars who seek evidence of design in nature. The theory of intelligent design holds that certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection. [Rational Wiki](http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Intelligent_design) > [@](#): > > Intelligent design creationism (often referred to as intelligent design or “ID”) is a pseudoscience that maintains that certain aspects of the physical world, and more specifically life, show signs of having been designed, and hence were designed, by an intelligent being (usually, but not always, the God of the Christian religion). The concept is older than science, but only since the 1980s has the term “intelligent design” been in circulation. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gop-and-race/667522/289 "2013-09-09T00:40:12Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Because they were treated like dirt . . . What on Earth are you talking about? ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gop-and-race/667522/290 "2013-09-09T01:06:35Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Because they were treated like dirt and you always have to be wary of a setup. Democrats have shown that they are not above trying to embarrass Republicans even at solemn events. Standing next to Obama wasn’t the problem, it’s standing next to him while he takes partisan jabs and taking it with a smile that they didn’t want. Dear seeker of Truth, Would you care to post substantive evidence of these claims? ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gop-and-race/667522/291 "2013-09-09T01:35:38Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > What on Earth are you talking about? Well, Brain, it’s like this: When you invite the best-known and highest ranking members of a party to an event and they turn you down\*, so you extend the invitation to lower ranking lesser-known members, and they turn you down. So you put out a blanket “anybody? anybody?” invite at the last minute (since steps 1 and 2 took time), that’s treating them like shit in GOP-speak. - Granted the Bushes had very good perfectly understandable reasons for turning them down and AFAIK, no one is pointing the finger at them. ---
**Author:** ![IceQube](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/dfb087/32.png) [@IceQube](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IceQube)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gop-and-race/667522/292 "2013-09-09T01:42:15Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > There are no black governors from either party. So if Scott couldn’t make it, they didn’t have much to work with. I highly recommend putting into Google the query of “who is the governor of Massachusetts?” ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gop-and-race/667522/293 "2013-09-09T02:38:38Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Democrats have shown that they are not above trying to embarrass Republicans even at solemn events. :mad: You Lie! (Reference, Mods, not insult; perfectly appropriate here.) ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gop-and-race/667522/294 "2013-09-09T04:13:21Z")
Paul Wellstone memorial. Turned into a political pep rally and Trent Lott got booed. If Republicans had had reason to suspect that’s what would happen, they would have had every reason to shun the memorial. Withdraw your accusation of lying. A more recent example was the President giving a press conference on budget negotiations fairly early in his Presidency. He invited Paul Ryan and other Republicans to sit in the front row. Where he then proceeded to harangue them. Bigtime setup. No cite for that, since it’s from the Bob Woodward book, Price of Politics, and apparently on this board things that are written in books aren’t as real as internet links. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gop-and-race/667522/295 "2013-09-09T04:38:26Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Paul Wellstone memorial. Turned into a political pep rally and Trent Lott got booed. If Republicans had had reason to suspect that’s what would happen, they would have had every reason to shun the memorial. No it was not turned into a political pep rally. > [@](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > Vin Weber was framing the Republican story line. “This was NOT a memorial to Paul Wellstone. This was a political event.” Weber said that the event was a “complete, total, absolute sham” and accused the Democrats of “exploit[ing] Wellstone’s memory totally, completely and shamelessly for political gain.” > > > > ``` > > [...] > > > > When I called Vin Weber to research this chapter, I asked him whether he had watched the whole event and whether he had seen any of the eulogies. He said, "Yeah, there was some very nice stuff." This candid Vin was a refreshing break from the lying Vin who talked to the Star Tribune in 2002. But Lying Vin had planted the story line: The memorial was a total sham, a political charade. [Pages 186-187] > > > > ``` > > Franken traces spin of memorial as “political event” through media. Franken documented the evolution in the media of the smear that Wellstone’s memorial service was politicized. He traced the Republican spin of the memorial service as a “political event” from the Minneapolis Star Tribune to C-SPAN’s Washington Journal to Rush Limbaugh and eventually to “the mainstream” with Tucker Carlson, who claimed on CNN’s Crossfire that “a memorial service for the late Senator Paul Wellstone was hijacked by partisan zealots and turned into a political rally. Republican friends of Senator Wellstone were booed and shouted down as they tried to speak.” But Franken undercut those claims in an interview with Carlson documented in the book. Under Franken’s questioning, Carlson admitted he had not yet seen the tape of the memorial when he made those claims and was under the incorrect assumption that Kahn was not in fact Wellstone’s best friend. Moreover, there were no “Republican friends of Wellstone” who spoke or attempted to speak at the funeral, a fact Carlson acknowledged in his conversations with Franken. Nonetheless, the myth that the memorial was a political event continued to spread throughout the media. [Pages 193-195] > Media similarly accused liberals of politicizing King’s funeral, but ignored politicization of Reagan’s > > Media highlighted purportedly “partisan” funeral of Coretta Scott King. As Media Matters for America documented, the claims that King’s funeral was “partisan” stemmed primarily from a tribute delivered by civil rights activist Rev. Joseph Lowery, which included a reference to prewar intelligence failures in Iraq, and one by former President Jimmy Carter, who made what many interpreted as a reference to President Bush’s warrantless domestic surveillance program. > > But media ignored political elements of Reagan’s funeral. President Ronald Reagan’s funeral did not provoke similar scrutiny, despite clear political overtones. For example, the media largely ignored the fact that no Democrats were invited to speak at either the funeral at the National Cathedral or at a ceremony held on Capitol Hill two days earlier. > [@adaher](#): > > Withdraw your accusation of lying. Wow that was clueless from you. \*\*BrainGlutton \*\*was refewrring to “YOU LIE!” screamer in chief Joe Wilson of South Carolina (R) > **[Joe Wilson of South Carolina said Obama lied, but he didn't](https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2009/sep/09/joe-wilson/joe-wilson-south-carolina-said-obama-lied-he-didnt/)** > > We suspect it's rare that the president gets heckled during a speech to a joint session of Congress, but Rep. Joe Wilson > [@](#): > > “You lie!” shouted the South Carolina Republican. This was in response to President Barack Obama’s statements on illegal immigrants. > > “There are also those who claim that our reform effort will insure illegal immigrants,” Obama said. “This, too, is false — the reforms I’m proposing would not apply to those who are here illegally.” > > So who’s right here? Wilson or Obama? > > Incidentally, Wilson apologized for the outburst after the speech, but said he still disagreed with Obama’s statement. > [@](#): > > The best argument that we find that health reform would help illegal immigrants is that some might be able to purchase the public option — if it passes, and it might not — on the new health insurance exchange. They would purchase that at full cost. Obama said, “The reforms I’m proposing would not apply to those who are here illegally,” which Wilson said was a “lie.” Actually, Obama can make a pretty thorough case that reform doesn’t apply to those here illegally. We don’t find the public option argument enough to make the case that Obama “lied.” We rate Wilson’s statement False. > [@adaher](#): > > A more recent example was the President giving a press conference on budget negotiations fairly early in his Presidency. He invited Paul Ryan and other Republicans to sit in the front row. Where he then proceeded to harangue them. Bigtime setup. No cite for that, since it’s from the Bob Woodward book, Price of Politics, and apparently on this board things that are written in books aren’t as real as internet links. That was not a funeral, nor a solemn occasion. That was just grasping at straws from your part. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gop-and-race/667522/296 "2013-09-09T04:39:45Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Paul Wellstone memorial. Turned into a political pep rally and Trent Lott got booed. If Republicans had had reason to suspect that’s what would happen, they would have had every reason to shun the memorial. > > Withdraw your accusation of lying. I don’t see any reason for him to withdraw anything. You offered no cites to back up your assertion, and when I did my own searching, I found mostly partisan reports from people who weren’t actually in attendance. I did find this one partisan report, tho, from someone who was there: [ > [@Al Franken](#): > > This was a lie. I was there. Along with everyone else, I cried, I laughed, I cheered. It was, to my mind, a beautiful four-hour memorial. > > I didn’t boo. Neither did 22,800 of the some 23,000 people there. This has been a much discussed, much lied about aspect of the memorial. A number of Republicans, like Peggy Noonan and Weekly Standard writer Chris Caldwell claimed that 20,000 people had booed Trent Lott. (Caldwell claimed that 20,000 people booed a whole litany of people who weren’t booed at all.) We’ll never get an actual count - but I’d say about two hundred people booed Trent Lott when his face came on the Jumbotron. This was about a minute after 23,000 people cheered for Bill Clinton when his face appeared on the Jumbotron. > > The Jumbotron was carrying the C-SPAN feed, and unless you were watching live, you almost certainly have never seen the moment that Trent Lott was booed. That’s because none of the cable news shows repeated it. That’s because you can’t hear him being booed. And that’s because so few people booed him. Also, I swear, it was a good-natured “kill the umpire” boo, (and Lott actually grinned) but I could never prove that. What I have proven is that you couldn’t hear the boos on TV because on my book-on-tape I played the audio of the C-SPAN video to compare the 23,000 cheering for Clinton with the smattering of boos for Lott, and you CANNOT hear the boos. ]([Reflections on the Wellstone Memorial and the King Funeral | HuffPost Latest News](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/al-franken/reflections-on-the-wellst_b_15459.html)) Besides, your claim was > [@adaher](#): > > Democrats have shown that they are not above trying to embarrass Republicans even at solemn events. So now you’re trying to claim that this was somehow a calculated move by Democrats but in fact it seems more like it was a small percentage of the crowd expressing displeasure. You failed to back up your assertion AGAIN. ETA: haha **GIGO** and I must have googled almost exactly the same thing. Mine was just “Paul Wellstone memorial”. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gop-and-race/667522/297 "2013-09-09T04:45:12Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Paul Wellstone memorial. Turned into a political pep rally and Trent Lott got booed. If Republicans had had reason to suspect that’s what would happen, they would have had every reason to shun the memorial. > > Withdraw your accusation of lying. > > A more recent example was the President giving a press conference on budget negotiations fairly early in his Presidency. He invited Paul Ryan and other Republicans to sit in the front row. Where he then proceeded to harangue them. Bigtime setup. No cite for that, since it’s from the Bob Woodward book, Price of Politics, and apparently on this board things that are written in books aren’t as real as internet links. The memorial was in 2002, what the hell are you talking about? [This link](http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/173566-1#) said it was interrupted by applause. [Read this account](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/al-franken/reflections-on-the-wellst_b_15459.html) by someone who was there. > [@](#): > > A pained Limbaugh asked his audience the day after the memorial: “Where was the grief? Where were the tears? Where was the memorial service? There wasn’t any of this!” > > This was a lie. I was there. Along with everyone else, I cried, I laughed, I cheered. It was, to my mind, a beautiful four-hour memorial. > > I didn’t boo. Neither did 22,800 of the some 23,000 people there. This has been a much discussed, much lied about aspect of the memorial. A number of Republicans, like Peggy Noonan and Weekly Standard writer Chris Caldwell claimed that 20,000 people had booed Trent Lott. (Caldwell claimed that 20,000 people booed a whole litany of people who weren’t booed at all.) We’ll never get an actual count - but I’d say about two hundred people booed Trent Lott when his face came on the Jumbotron Obama vs Ryan, surely you can find a video clip or news report of the press conference. Maybe a date so others can look? ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gop-and-race/667522/298 "2013-09-09T04:52:10Z")
In this case, it doesn’t matter what ACTUALLY happened. What matters is what Republicans think happened, which explains their behavior. If you want to accuse them of being overly sensitive or detached from reality, fine. But their motivations were not racist, nor even that they didn’t care. They just know what happens to Republicans in a context where Democrats control the message. Furthermore, even if you think I’m full of crap on this, I clearly did not lie, which is why we have rules against that sort of thing. If he was making a Joe Wilson reference, then I apologize for misunderstanding. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gop-and-race/667522/299 "2013-09-09T04:53:49Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > I certainly concede the first part, and did not know the second part. My question–“cite?”–isn’t intended to suggest you’re lying but is more because I’d like to learn more about this. Don’t worry, no offense taken. It’s one of the media’s dark, dirty little secrets I first noticed way back in 1992 when people claimed GHWB lost due to a “genderquake”. The reality is that white women vote democratic more than white men but not dramatically. George W. Bush got 55% of the white female vote in 2004, John McCain got 53% in 2008 and Romney did even better in 2012. [http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/johncassidy/2012/11/why-white-women-voted-for-romney.html](http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/johncassidy/2012/11/why-white-women-voted-for-romney.html) My own personal belief for why this is is because IMHO, a person’s cultural and religious upbringing, education, wealth and a whole number of other factors are more important in determining how a person votes than their gender. The truth is that, when it comes to politics, men and women aren’t that different. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gop-and-race/667522/300 "2013-09-09T05:03:27Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > In this case, it doesn’t matter what ACTUALLY happened. What matters is what Republicans think happened, which explains their behavior. > > If you want to accuse them of being overly sensitive or detached from reality, fine. But their motivations were not racist, nor even that they didn’t care. They just know what happens to Republicans in a context where Democrats control the message. OF COURSE it matters what ACTUALLY happened. As we’ve shown tho, they don’t _know_ what happens to Republicans in a context where Democrats control the message. They _know_ what they are told by biased sources who are making shit up. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gop-and-race/667522.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gop-and-race/667522.md?page=16)