You can certainly argue that the Klan is not following your religious principles, but it certainly self-identifies as a religious group. William Simmons was a Methodist preacher, and the Second Era Klan was very much a Christian organization. Beside the burning cross, their meetings invariably included hymns, readings from the scriptures, and so on.
Ludovic: Prisoners themselves don’t seem to think so: just look at all of the miraculous Death Row conversions that seem to happen.
ITR Champion: How many seem to happen and what’s your source for it?
Ludovic: I assume you have sources for public apostasy happening after conviction? Of any sort?
Is this your way of saying that you won’t answer my question? You referred to “all the miraculous Death Row conversions that seem to happen”. I asked you for a source for that claim; my question is still open.
FTR, I think the claim that religion causes people to be violent is ludicrous, as would be the claim that atheism causes people to be violent. But despite what you seem to believe, being religious is in no way a hindrance to people committing violent acts.
ITR,
KKK - what do you think that cross thing is?
There was little or no public outcry against torture.
Crane
What claim?
Specifically, you are asking for a cite that they “seem to occur”? Really?
The OP’s proposal would go over like a fart in church.
You said: “just look at all of the miraculous Death Row conversions that seem to happen”. In response I said: “How many seem to happen and what’s your source for it?”
I was asking you how many seem to happen and what’s your source for it? I’m still asking the same questions, and I’m not sure why it’s so difficult for you to understand the question or provide an answer.
Horseshit.
Regards,
Shodan
You should consider the percentage of people with a religious affiliation doing violence, against the percentage of those of the same faith that don’t. With absolutely nothing to back this claim I’m making, I’m sure it would be less then a tenth of a percent would do a violent crime.
A gangbanger shooting someone may have been taken to church as a child, when he kills someone, is he obviously motivated by religion? Is he a practicing Christianity, Lutheranism, or Baptist behavior? I think saying a gangbanger, who in Chicago for instance as I live, are well responsible for most violent crimes, and since they are not doing so in the name of religion, they are doing so as atheists.
Shodan,
How so - Our wars are generally supported by the religious community. Christianity is a violent religion.
Perhaps you believe that our soldiers are apostates?
Crane
The last one, on the whole, most certainly was not. You seem to be confusing “some American ultra-Protestants” with “the religious community”, which is a much larger body.
Really? How many judges are there in the United States? And how many of them have ever expressed any desire to show up in court wearing robes embroidered with the Ten Commandments? And how many have actually done so?