# The Grail **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 17, 2008, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-grail/463922 "2008-09-17T01:04:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![nd\_n8](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/439d5e/32.png) [@nd\_n8](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nd_n8)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2008, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-grail/463922/221 "2008-09-29T03:29:22Z")
> [@maatorc](#): > > My whole point is the truth of the _existence_ of the myth. > > The truth or falsity of its doctrines and practices is another question. > > The Egyptian Temple, Hermeticism, Kabala, Alchemy, Christian Mysticism, Martinism, and Rosicrucianism all represent the myth in action. And, as I mentioned earlier, these are all fringe sects that spawned from an older and more established organization. In every case the older organization is undeniably spiritual in nature and purpose, these fringe groups are representations of what happens when someone gets it into his head to bring metaphysics into the real world. If these represent the myth in action and their parent groups predate the myth, then this whole myth of occult anatomy does not represent in any way shape or form the majority of beliefs throughout history nor does it serve to compare any commonality of leaders and icons held withing these beliefs. Not only that but historically in each and every case for physical and scientific justification of metaphysical theories has been disproven on every level. In short, the myth of occult anatomy is bullshit (at best an insignificant case of bullshit) and shall remain so until you as the accuser manages to prove otherwise. As to any a priori existence of such a myth or belief system or anything coherently recognizable, I could just as easily say that Captain Ahab exists because the legend of him exists. I could entertain thoughts that Captain Ahab was a real person or the incarnation of many different historical figures - even the despised biblical king himself. But that would also all be bullshit because not only could I not support it but there is plenty of study proving otherwise. So yeah, make your assertions, proselytize your views as you wish, but without at least some concrete connection or theory from a mainstream source and not the ramblings of an obscure Canadian theosophic writer your statements fall flat and quite lifeless upon the floor. ---
**Author:** ![maatorc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8baadc/32.png) [@maatorc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/maatorc)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2008, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-grail/463922/222 "2008-09-29T03:54:00Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally Posted by maatorc View Post > My whole point is the truth of the existence of the myth. > > The truth or falsity of its doctrines and practices is another question. > > The Egyptian Temple, Hermeticism, Kabala, Alchemy, Christian Mysticism, Martinism, and Rosicrucianism all represent the myth in action. > [@nd\_n8](#): > > …And, as I mentioned earlier, these are all fringe sects that spawned from an older and more established organization… None of these are sects. They are operations of the myth behind the various legend-based religious-sects. Your remaining comments are unconnected rhetoric. ---
**Author:** ![nd\_n8](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/439d5e/32.png) [@nd\_n8](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nd_n8)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2008, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-grail/463922/223 "2008-09-29T04:28:28Z")
> [@maatorc](#): > > None of these are sects. > They are operations of the myth behind the various legend-based religious-sects. > Your remaining comments are unconnected rhetoric. Um, yes they are. Hermeticism, Christian Mysticism, Martinism, and Rosicrucianism are all sects of Christianity. They all draw their dogma from Judeo-Christian scripture. Kabala is a sect of Judaism. It draws it’s dogma from the same scripture as the Christian sects, including the new testament, but with a stronger tie to Judaism. Egyptian Temple is an animist sect drawing from the pagan mythology of ancient cultures. And Alchemy isn’t really a religion so much as a humanist movement seeking to explain the metaphysical within physical boundaries. This scripture and ancient traditions that the sects draw their dogmas from are all concerned with the spiritual, not the physical. There is no sacred marriage of brain bits or widespread influence of occult anatomy. In no source you have given or any other I could find is this theory cited outside of this thread with you as the sole presenter of the theory. And as the presenter of this I believe the burden of proof is yours, this is simple fact and asking for your proofs is not rhetorical in the least. Proselytizing without offering source or substance is merely witnessing. No two ways around it bub, just plain old witnessing. Feel free to declare it as such and relieve us the debate or present the authority of your claim and prove us wrong. ---
**Author:** ![maatorc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8baadc/32.png) [@maatorc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/maatorc)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2008, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-grail/463922/224 "2008-09-29T04:50:15Z")
> [@](#): > > Quote: > Originally Posted by maatorc View Post > None of these are sects. > They are operations of the myth behind the various legend-based religious-sects. > Your remaining comments are unconnected rhetoric. > [@nd\_n8](#): > > Um, yes they are. > Hermeticism, Christian Mysticism, Martinism, and Rosicrucianism are all sects of Christianity. They all draw their dogma from Judeo-Christian scripture. None of Hermeticism, Christian Mysticism, Martinism, and Rosicrucianism are sects of Christianity. They are authentic outer schools of the one-only inner school behind all the religious legend based sects. Judeo-Christian scripture drew there dogma from the one-only myth of occult anatomy of the one-only inner school. ---
**Author:** ![Don\_t\_fight\_the\_hypothetical](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/59ef9b/32.png) [@Don\_t\_fight\_the\_hypothetical](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_t_fight_the_hypothetical)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2008, 9:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-grail/463922/225 "2008-09-29T09:39:49Z")
> [@maatorc](#): > > My whole point is the truth of the _existence_ of the myth. No it is not. From your own OP: “The grail legend transmits a myth of occult anatomy in which the grail is an organ in the human head”. Many times you have been asked to explain this. You have refused, giving links instead. When it suites you POV, you choose to embrace the _existence_ of the myth. If that doesn’t work you choose to embrace the myth itself. I’m asking you to pick a side **in your own words** which you did not do. I’m asking you to take a stand. IS THE MYTH TRUE OR NOT (in your own words)? ---
**Author:** ![Baldwin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baldwin/32/7264_2.png) [@Baldwin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baldwin)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2008, 11:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-grail/463922/226 "2008-09-29T11:50:25Z")
> [@maatorc](#): > > Judeo-Christian scripture drew their dogma from the one-only myth of occult anatomy of the one-only inner school. (Your spelling, once again, corrected.) And we’ve come back around. This whole thing is just a gerbil-wheel in your head, isn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![Baldwin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baldwin/32/7264_2.png) [@Baldwin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baldwin)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2008, 11:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-grail/463922/227 "2008-09-29T11:53:39Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > Martin Gardner’s classic book, _Fads and Fallacies in the Name of Science_, written way back in 1952 when these movements had not yet faded away or transmuted, gives a good account of how Blavatsky’s notions have permeated the crank literature since her time. There’s a huge debunking literature on this, written by people with stronger stomachs than mine, so they are able to persevere through the impenetrable and digest the insufferable. The whackier aspects of Theosophy also provided material for Edgar Rice Burroughs’ romances set on Mars. I don’t guess there are many actual Theosophists around anymore, but people still read _A Princess of Mars_. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Robson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gary_robson/32/3448_2.png) [@Gary\_Robson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Robson)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2008, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-grail/463922/228 "2008-09-29T14:37:45Z")
> [@maatorc](#): > > My whole point is the truth of the _existence_ of the myth.. Well, that’s everybody else’s point, too, **Maatorc**. Clearly, if I dream up a story and convince some well-meaning people of it, I’ve created a myth. From that point of view, it’s hard to argue against the existence of your gland myth. But you’ve failed to define what it is, and more importantly, you’ve failed to present even one tiny shred of truth that it existed before _any_ major religion, much less _all_ of them. > [@Baldwin](#): > > (Your spelling, once again, corrected.) I know spelling seems minor, but we do have a board rule against editing the content in the quote tags. Please don’t do that. You may excerpt (only quoting a portion of the post), but don’t change any of the words or punctuation in the section you quote. ---
**Author:** ![John\_W.Kennedy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_w.kennedy/32/1031_2.png) [@John\_W.Kennedy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_W.Kennedy)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2008, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-grail/463922/229 "2008-09-29T16:46:23Z")
> [@nd\_n8](#): > > Hermeticism, Christian Mysticism, Martinism, and Rosicrucianism are all sects of Christianity. They all draw their dogma from Judeo-Christian scripture. This is all rather inaccurate. Hermeticism is not Christian; it is another word for “alchemy”. Christian mysticism is not the name of a sect; it is simply a collective name for mysticism which is Christian, which is almost always an individual affair, although I suppose the original Martinists can be classified so. As to the Rosicrucians, although it cannot be doubted that they have some sort of connection to Christianity, I’m not at all sure that they should be called “Christian”. “Kabala” is a sect of Judaism. It draws it’s dogma from the same scripture as the Christian sects, including the new testament, but with a stronger tie to Judaism. [/quote] It is a mystical practice occurring within Judaism. I don’t think you can quite call it a “sect”. ---
**Author:** ![SiXSwordS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/49beb7/32.png) [@SiXSwordS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SiXSwordS)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2008, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-grail/463922/230 "2008-09-29T18:34:44Z")
> [@John\_W.Kennedy](#): > > When you’re already making a reply, the post numbers aren’t visible anymore. Excuse the hijack, but that is not accurate. From the **Reply to Thread** window, you can scroll down to the posts in reverse order. (As I look at it now, yours is the top post.) If you mouseover the body of the post, a post count will appear. I do appreciate your response. > [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > My feelings are hurt. I also appreciate your contribution and I’m definitely not ignoring your post although I’m mostly lurking. ---
**Author:** ![LurkMeister](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/3da27b/32.png) [@LurkMeister](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LurkMeister)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2008, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-grail/463922/231 "2008-09-29T19:28:01Z")
> [@SiXSwordS](#): > > Excuse the hijack, but that is not accurate. > From the **Reply to Thread** window, you can scroll down to the posts in reverse order. (As I look at it now, yours is the top post.) If you mouseover the body of the post, a post count will appear. When I mouseover the posts as you describe, I get the actual post number (as in, your post is #10255686), not the post number in the thread (as in, yours is the 230th post in the thread). The first is useful if you are providing a link to the individual post, but not so much if you are saying something like “In post 150, you said XXXXXX but then in post 173 you said YYYYYYYYYY, which contradicts that.” ---
**Author:** ![SiXSwordS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/49beb7/32.png) [@SiXSwordS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SiXSwordS)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2008, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-grail/463922/232 "2008-09-29T19:45:42Z")
> [@LurkMeister](#): > > When I mouseover the posts as you describe, I get the actual post number .. I think it is pretty common — and easier than replying from the top of the thread — to simply click the reply button in the post you are replying to. I sometimes find myself using that button and then simply deleting the text of the post if I don’t want to quote someone; it’s just easier. If you are going to say that someone admitted to lying, it is far better to include a link to that post rather than to say: in post such-and-such… If you already started your reply, start over and copy and paste. This is a thread in which Dopers are claiming that we have higher expectations and it only seems appropriate to avoid laziness. Not to mention using common courtesy in giving people an simple way to read through a five page thread without having to solve a puzzle before they can figure out what you are talking about. I tried to find the post **John** was talking about, but because of the time zone difference and the oblique reference, I had no idea what he was referring to. It almost seemed that he was going out of his way to be ambiguous. BTW— if you type the longer post number into a quote box like this [quote=“Whomever”] it will link to that post in the same way as the reply button in the thread. ---
**Author:** ![Irishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2008, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-grail/463922/233 "2008-09-29T21:19:08Z")
**Alan Smithee** said: > [@](#): > > Why do you believe this myth is the most important knowledge in the world? You haven’t even claimed that it’s true. (Have you?) > [@](#): > > If the myth is bullshit (and you haven’t claimed otherwise) then what belief systems it drives just a bit of historical trivia. Not quite. If people act on the beliefs, and if the actions are widespread, then the results are significant whether or not the item believed is true or false. The belief is important if only in scope of impact. **maatorc** said: > [@](#): > > Name one such doctrine or practice that is not anatomically driven. Given that none of us seem to know what is you mean by “anatomically driven”, it is hard for us to give you examples. Why don’t you give us an example of something being anatomically driven? Not just a repeat of technical terms we don’t understand, but a concrete example of how, say, the sacred anatomy idea you think underlies all legend belief systems applies to feeding the crowd with loaves and 2 fish. > [@](#): > > They are all focused on the human anatomy and the goal of perfection through transformation. This is mind-numbingly unhelpful. This does not explain _anything_ to those of us who do not already know what you mean. You _must_ be far more explicit than this if you have any hope of us understanding what you mean. > [@](#): > > [Meditation] is the universal creative process of the human constitution, employed by millions daily, whether or not they have ever heard of you or religion or occult anatomy. It drives the technique of the myth. What Does That MEAN!?!?!?!? Technique of the myth? What technique? Drives how? **John W. Kennedy** said: > [@](#): > > He’s already admitted, in today’s post made at 8:26 P.M., that he was lying about Christianity. Actual quote from referenced post: > [@](#): > > All the occult-mystical-esoteric _doctrines and practices_ associated with all past and present legend-based religions, Eastern and Western, are anatomically driven. > > Why do you think the orthodox Christian legend-based ‘empire-religion’ went to so much trouble to try to exterminate every unorthodox ‘occult-anatomy-based’ group? There are several ways to interpret that remark. A different way is that if Christianity is “legend-based”, then according to **maatorc** it ultimately resides on the “occult anatomy” premise. The extermination was against the _unorthodox_ groups. The description as “lies” is highly loaded. In this case, it may also be inaccurate. **LurkMeister** said: > [@](#): > > You say that “the myth of occult anatomy” is the “true foundation of and tradition behind all the world’s legend-based religions”. First of all, I haven’t seen where you have defined “the myth of occult anatomy” except for some references to the third ventricle of the brain which is somehow tied to “Sacred Marriage” (another term you haven’t defined). After you explain the myth of occult anatomy, could you explain how occult anatomy is the “true foundation of and tradition behind” Christianity? Actually, he did explain “Sacred Marriage” back in post 140. It’s the closest thing to an explanation he’s given yet. When a person reaches mental balance between the “male Pineal” and the “female Pituitary”, this balance is termed “the Sacred Marriage”, presumably as an analogy of the joining between the male and female parts of being. This is supposed to represent some higher state of being. If I understand what **maatorc** is saying (and I am not at all certain), he is stating that there is an underlying human condition or premise that is the foundation for all religious beliefs. This underlying premise is the concept of a human ability to achieve transcendence and become a better person - more balanced, spiritually aware, consciousness separate from human body, etc. This premise is often buried under myth constructions that form the various particulars of every religion. Some mystical groups have uncovered/studied the common underpinning and tied into the ultimate truth underneath the overt religious beliefs. Many people are unaware of the underlying root commonality, the cause of all religious beliefs. Every once in a while he states that the truth or fallacy of the belief is not his point, but rather the existence of this belief and how it manifests in fiction - Dan Brown, the Grail stories, etc. **maatorc** said: > [@](#): > > Do you seriously think the great and knowledgeable writers of the Gospels would create a ‘fiction’ in a ‘vacuum’? It is very difficult to create _anything_ in a vacuum. Nevertheless, I would submit that L. Ron Hubbard did a convincing job a creating myth without referring to previous religious beliefs. Regardless, the NT writers did not create the New Testament stories out of a vacuum, they drew upon a lot of prior material from Judaism and combined it with other common expectations for a religious figure. **John W. Kennedy** said: > [@](#): > > [Kabala] is a mystical practice occurring within Judaism. I don’t think you can quite call it a “sect”. What is the definition of “sect” as it applies here? ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2008, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-grail/463922/234 "2008-09-29T21:25:13Z")
> [@SiXSwordS](#): > > I also appreciate your contribution and I’m definitely not ignoring your post although I’m mostly lurking. Thank you, but that post was aimed at maatorc who at that time and since has totally ignored the direct question I asked him but continues to come in and give the same circular responses about occult anatomy. It was a bit of sarcasm since I know full well that maatorc will never answer a direct factual question even if it follows from a post he or she made. ---
**Author:** ![Alan\_Smithee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/2acd7d/32.png) [@Alan\_Smithee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alan_Smithee)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2008, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-grail/463922/235 "2008-09-29T22:00:01Z")
> [@Irishman](#): > > Not quite. If people act on the beliefs, and if the actions are widespread, then the results are significant whether or not the item believed is true or false. The belief is important if only in scope of impact. But (most) people **don’t** act on the beliefs of this supposed myth. Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, etc., may (as alleged) be _based_ on this myth, or they may be based on the intense emotional experiences of certain religious “geniuses” as William James proposed. In neither case is the original inspiration of religions overwhelmingly important knowledge for understanding the current behavior of religious believers or institutions, much less the most important knowledge ever known. > [@](#): > > Actually, he did explain “Sacred Marriage” back in post 140. It’s the closest thing to an explanation he’s given yet. When a person reaches mental balance between the “male Pineal” and the “female Pituitary”, this balance is termed “the Sacred Marriage”, presumably as an analogy of the joining between the male and female parts of being. This is supposed to represent some higher state of being. > > If I understand what **maatorc** is saying (and I am not at all certain), he is stating that there is an underlying human condition or premise that is the foundation for all religious beliefs. This underlying premise is the concept of a human ability to achieve transcendence and become a better person - more balanced, spiritually aware, consciousness separate from human body, etc. This premise is often buried under myth constructions that form the various particulars of every religion. Some mystical groups have uncovered/studied the common underpinning and tied into the ultimate truth underneath the overt religious beliefs. Many people are unaware of the underlying root commonality, the cause of all religious beliefs. > > Every once in a while he states that the truth or fallacy of the belief is not his point, but rather the existence of this belief and how it manifests in fiction - Dan Brown, the Grail stories, etc. By god, **Irishman** when YOU explain it, it almost sounds rational. Almost. **Maatorc** , is **Irishman** , correct? If not, where does his explanation differ from your understanding? If so, why couldn’t you have explained it so clearly? Is it because, as I suspect, you believe that we must discover the truth for ourselves by cobbling together your obscure and terse hints rather than having it spoon fed to us by you? ---
**Author:** ![maatorc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8baadc/32.png) [@maatorc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/maatorc)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2008, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-grail/463922/236 "2008-09-29T22:39:45Z")
> [@](#): > > Quote: > Originally Posted by maatorc View Post > My whole point is the truth of the existence of the myth. > [@Don\_t\_fight\_the\_hypothetical](#): > > No it is not. From your own OP: > “The grail legend transmits a myth of occult anatomy in which the grail is an organ in the human head”. Many times you have been asked to explain this. You have refused, giving links instead. When it suites you POV, you choose to embrace the _existence_ of the myth. If that doesn’t work you choose to embrace the myth itself. I’m asking you to pick a side **in your own words** which you did not do. I’m asking you to take a stand. IS THE MYTH TRUE OR NOT (in your own words)? When I say: “The grail legend transmits a myth of occult anatomy in which the grail is an organ in the human head” it means “…_in which the grail is an organ in the human head_…” is understood to be the case in the knowledge system which is the anatomical myth, whether or not it is actually true in fact. As to: “IS THE MYTH TRUE OR NOT”?, I am speaking _about_ the existence of the myth and do not presume to speak _for_ its preservers and protectors. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2008, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-grail/463922/237 "2008-09-29T22:52:47Z")
> [@maatorc](#): > > When I say: “The grail legend transmits a myth of occult anatomy in which the grail is an organ in the human head” it means “…_in which the grail is an organ in the human head_…” is understood to be the case in the knowledge system which is the anatomical myth, whether or not it is actually true in fact. Where does the Grail legend transmit this information? Most scholars appear to disagree with your interpretation. Can you point to some evidence that shows that the people who wrote the legends: a) knew of the anatomical myth b) understood it to mean what you think it means c) intended their recording of the Grail legend to convey or represent this anatomical myth You could just as easily have said that _The grail legend transmits a myth of occult botany in which the grail is an pineapple_. Until you provide some evidence of that you’re not presenting any useful information. ---
**Author:** ![maatorc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8baadc/32.png) [@maatorc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/maatorc)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2008, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-grail/463922/238 "2008-09-29T22:59:10Z")
> [@Alan\_Smithee](#): > > But (most) people **don’t** act on the beliefs of this supposed myth. Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, etc., may (as alleged) be _based_ on this myth, or they may be based on the intense emotional experiences of certain religious “geniuses” as William James proposed. In neither case is the original inspiration of religions overwhelmingly important knowledge for understanding the current behavior of religious believers or institutions, much less the most important knowledge ever known. > > > [@](#): > > > > ( Irishman-maatorc insert)If I understand what maatorc is saying (and I am not at all certain), he is stating that there is an underlying human condition or premise that is the foundation for all religious beliefs. This underlying premise is the concept of a human ability to achieve transcendence and become a better person - more balanced, spiritually aware, consciousness separate from human body, etc. This premise is often buried under myth constructions that form the various particulars of every religion. Some mystical groups have uncovered/studied the common underpinning and tied into the ultimate truth underneath the overt religious beliefs. Many people are unaware of the underlying root commonality, the cause of all religious beliefs. > > 1… **Maatorc** , is **Irishman** , correct? If not, where does his explanation differ from your understanding? If so, why couldn’t you have explained it so clearly? > 2…Is it because, as I suspect, you believe that we must discover the truth for ourselves by cobbling together your obscure and terse hints rather than having it spoon fed to us by you? 1…He is on the right track. 2…You are on the right track. ---
**Author:** ![maatorc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8baadc/32.png) [@maatorc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/maatorc)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2008, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-grail/463922/239 "2008-09-29T23:05:49Z")
> [@](#): > > Quote: > Originally Posted by maatorc View Post > When I say: “The grail legend transmits a myth of occult anatomy in which the grail is an organ in the human head” it means “…in which the grail is an organ in the human head…” is understood to be the case in the knowledge system which is the anatomical myth, whether or not it is actually true in fact. > [@Telemark](#): > > Where does the Grail legend transmit this information? Most scholars appear to disagree with your interpretation. Can you point to some evidence that shows that the people who wrote the legends:… All the characters, places, and events in the legend symbolically refer to organs, systems and processes of the human anatomy in the mastership of ‘The Great Work’ in the attainment of the ‘Sacred Marriage’. ---
**Author:** ![Alan\_Smithee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/2acd7d/32.png) [@Alan\_Smithee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alan_Smithee)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2008, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-grail/463922/240 "2008-09-29T23:33:52Z")
> [@maatorc](#): > > > [@Alan Smithee](#): > > > > 2…Is it because, as I suspect, you believe that we must discover the truth for ourselves by cobbling together your obscure and terse hints rather than having it spoon fed to us by you? > > 2…You are on the right track. Hmph. If that’s the case, I’m done with you. I have no interest in playing guessing games, which belong in a different forum anyway. I assure you you’ll turn more people off than on to your weird ideas this way. It comes across as snide and condescending. If that makes me “unworthy” to join your club of crackpots, it’s your loss. I’ll hang out with folks who don’t insult me. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-grail/463922.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-grail/463922.md?page=13)