# The Great Flag Debate of Utah (now moved on to additional states, currently IL) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [March 4, 2023, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-flag-debate-of-utah-now-moved-on-to-additional-states-currently-il/980694 "2023-03-04T01:08:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![N9IWP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/n9iwp/32/3154_2.png) [@N9IWP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N9IWP)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2023, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-flag-debate-of-utah-now-moved-on-to-additional-states-currently-il/980694/201 "2023-12-14T22:15:20Z")
CGP Gray really likes one of the 3 finalists The one he calls polaris tri-color > **[BREAKING FLAG NEWS: Minnesota Getting a New Flag!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFwwo0W5Ugg%2F)** > > Thank you, Bonnie Bees, for making this video possible: https://www.patreon.com/cgpgrey## Related Videos:Minnesota Flag Redesign: Grey's First Impressions: h... Brian ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2023, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-flag-debate-of-utah-now-moved-on-to-additional-states-currently-il/980694/202 "2023-12-16T13:40:10Z")
Looks like they’re down to the final choice, although there are details they still need to decide: > **[Here’s the final overall design for the new Minnesota state flag — but tweaks...](https://www.mprnews.org/story/2023/12/15/vote-picks-final-design-for-new-minnesota-state-flag-but-tweaks-expected)** > > The State Emblems Redesign Commission selected a new design to replace the state’s current flag in May, barring a veto from the Legislature. The pick came after months of deliberation and narrowing down the field of more than 2,000 submissions. Personally, I like it. Especially the one with three different colored stripes. The star probably should be the one that was originally submitted for this, which had two different lengths of rays. ---
**Author:** ![Bayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bayaker/32/3454_2.png) [@Bayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bayaker)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2023, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-flag-debate-of-utah-now-moved-on-to-additional-states-currently-il/980694/203 "2023-12-16T15:33:12Z")
> [@dtilque](#): > > The star probably should be the one that was originally submitted for this, which had two different lengths of rays. I agree with this. The stars in those four flags look more like a sun at first glance. ---
**Author:** ![gnarator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gnarator/32/8266_2.png) [@gnarator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnarator)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-flag-debate-of-utah-now-moved-on-to-additional-states-currently-il/980694/204 "2023-12-20T02:36:56Z")
Aaaannd we’re done: > **[Minnesota Unveils New State Flag Design](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/19/us/minnesota-state-flag-new-design.html)** > > The design, chosen from thousands of submissions, would replace the current flag, which was criticized by some as racist. It looks like a credit union logo. I preferred the original star, too. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-flag-debate-of-utah-now-moved-on-to-additional-states-currently-il/980694/205 "2023-12-20T02:53:15Z")
> [@gnarator](#): > > It looks like a credit union logo. That’s cold. Spot-on, but stone cold. I salute you, Good Sir. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-flag-debate-of-utah-now-moved-on-to-additional-states-currently-il/980694/206 "2023-12-20T03:10:38Z")
I don’t get why they ruined it by removing the stripes. That was what made it look like a flag. ---
**Author:** ![carnut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnut/32/3531_2.png) [@carnut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnut)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-flag-debate-of-utah-now-moved-on-to-additional-states-currently-il/980694/207 "2023-12-20T03:12:57Z")
> [@gnarator](#): > > It looks like a credit union logo. I preferred the original star, too. Umm, umm, this Minnesotan agrees with you. The original star please. Though, come to think of it, the original star looks more like the star in my credit union’s logo. True 'nuff. Also, as a Minnesotan, I do despair the removal of green from the flag. Minnesota is lush with green during the summer. I do like that our state’s outline is somewhat mimicked by the inverted triangle shape. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-flag-debate-of-utah-now-moved-on-to-additional-states-currently-il/980694/208 "2023-12-20T03:31:46Z")
Yeah, the stripes were better. And I’m not a big fan of flags using two different shades of the same color (blue, blue, and white). But hey, it’s not another seal-on-a-bedsheet, so there’s that. ---
**Author:** ![N9IWP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/n9iwp/32/3154_2.png) [@N9IWP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N9IWP)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-flag-debate-of-utah-now-moved-on-to-additional-states-currently-il/980694/209 "2023-12-20T22:00:33Z")
One plus of the light blue – when the flag is vertical, you have the north star and Mississippi River flowing south. Apparently the star is the same is in the capitol > **[Vexillologist weighs in on Minnesota’s new flag](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aCuLA6cESI%2F)** > > Ted Kaye says he’s happy with the new design, saying its simplicity is what makes it appealing.https://www.kare11.com/article/news/local/why-is-minnesota-get... Brian ---
**Author:** ![gnarator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gnarator/32/8266_2.png) [@gnarator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnarator)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-flag-debate-of-utah-now-moved-on-to-additional-states-currently-il/980694/210 "2023-12-20T22:54:25Z")
JUSTICE FOR LASER LOON! [![](https://townsquare.media/site/164/files/2023/11/attachment-236298447c1864a175f31e349522e104149a44aef8c6cfb37cb83ef6e9209e53.jpg?w=980&q=75) ](https://townsquare.media/site/164/files/2023/11/attachment-236298447c1864a175f31e349522e104149a44aef8c6cfb37cb83ef6e9209e53.jpg?w=980&q=75) ---
**Author:** ![Yllaria](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yllaria/32/3452_2.png) [@Yllaria](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yllaria)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-flag-debate-of-utah-now-moved-on-to-additional-states-currently-il/980694/211 "2023-12-20T22:57:29Z")
The last I heard, the committee had made a choice of which flag to recommend to the legislature, but the legislature hadn’t accepted it, yet. Did I miss the final step? According to the last article I read, the legislature could make “tweaks” to the recommended flag - such are putting the stripes back. ---
**Author:** ![N9IWP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/n9iwp/32/3154_2.png) [@N9IWP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N9IWP)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-flag-debate-of-utah-now-moved-on-to-additional-states-currently-il/980694/212 "2023-12-20T23:14:51Z")
Yes, anything could happen until signed into law. Even if approved or will not show up until May 11 (statehood day) Brian ---
**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-flag-debate-of-utah-now-moved-on-to-additional-states-currently-il/980694/213 "2023-12-21T01:32:18Z")
Disappointed in Minnesota - the version with the blue and green stripes is much more striking. This one looks a bit more generic. IMHO, of course, which - since I’m not a Minnesotan - means bupkis. Still, it’s better than the boring seal-on-a-blue-bedsheet they had before. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-flag-debate-of-utah-now-moved-on-to-additional-states-currently-il/980694/214 "2023-12-21T02:26:27Z")
Laser Loon is not happy to be slighted in this way. You won’t like it when laser Loon isn’t happy. When Laser Loon isn’t happy, people die! [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/iD-j4eIjQ5c/hqdefault.jpg "Movie Cat - Mr Bigglesworth gets upset") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iD-j4eIjQ5c) ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-flag-debate-of-utah-now-moved-on-to-additional-states-currently-il/980694/215 "2023-12-21T19:39:23Z")
The new flag is meh. Not terrible, not great IMHO. Certainly not in the same league with my favorites: Ohio, New Mexico, Maryland, Indiana and Arizona. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-flag-debate-of-utah-now-moved-on-to-additional-states-currently-il/980694/216 "2023-12-21T19:44:59Z")
So now the North Star is the Star of the West? I liked [the first design](https://mnflag.tripod.com/mnflag-072-348-1235-3x5.jpg) that started the discussion. But I felt the star should be white and in the middle-top and have 32 waves representing Minnesota as the 32nd state. The one decided on is blah which is probably why it was chosen. ---
**Author:** ![JohnGalt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johngalt/32/184_2.png) [@JohnGalt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnGalt)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2023, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-flag-debate-of-utah-now-moved-on-to-additional-states-currently-il/980694/217 "2023-12-22T05:11:05Z")
The winning designer also had versions with a somewhat asymmetrical dark blue, more true to the shape of Minnesota, with the star further “up” in the larger portion. They went with a totally symmetrical design so the flag could hang vertically or horizontally. As a native of the state, I like it, even though some other designs were more interesting. I look forward to seeing it in a lineup with other state flags, such as the avenue of flags at Mount Rushmore, just to see how distinctive it looks. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2023, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-flag-debate-of-utah-now-moved-on-to-additional-states-currently-il/980694/218 "2023-12-22T15:31:00Z")
Yes, I think it would be much better to have it be a more asymmetrical dark-blue mass, to more closely represent the outline of the state. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2023, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-flag-debate-of-utah-now-moved-on-to-additional-states-currently-il/980694/219 "2023-12-22T15:35:46Z")
On that, I disagree. It’s evocative of the shape of the state, but it’s a very simple shape that evokes that shape. Simplicity here is more important than accuracy. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2023, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-flag-debate-of-utah-now-moved-on-to-additional-states-currently-il/980694/220 "2023-12-23T00:40:25Z")
If they went with the three-stripe design, aligning the inflection with the boundary of the lower stripes would be simple and elegant. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-flag-debate-of-utah-now-moved-on-to-additional-states-currently-il/980694.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-flag-debate-of-utah-now-moved-on-to-additional-states-currently-il/980694.md?page=12)