# The Great Flag Debate of Utah (now moved on to additional states, currently IL) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [March 4, 2023, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-flag-debate-of-utah-now-moved-on-to-additional-states-currently-il/980694 "2023-03-04T01:08:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2023, 12:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-flag-debate-of-utah-now-moved-on-to-additional-states-currently-il/980694/61 "2023-03-06T12:26:54Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > You missed one - the Swiss flag is square, not rectangular. The Swiss flag IS a big plus! ---
**Author:** ![WOOKINPANUBv.2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wookinpanubv.2/32/3260_2.png) [@WOOKINPANUBv.2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WOOKINPANUBv.2)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2023, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-flag-debate-of-utah-now-moved-on-to-additional-states-currently-il/980694/62 "2023-03-06T14:26:18Z")
Looks like a sign for Taco Bell or maybe a budget motel. ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2023, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-flag-debate-of-utah-now-moved-on-to-additional-states-currently-il/980694/63 "2023-03-06T15:55:01Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > > [@dtilque](#): > > > > . Some time back, I got to wondering how many non-rectangular flags were in use among the countries and their 1st level subdivisions. Nepal is the only country with one, it being a combination of two triangles with different dimensions. > > You missed one - the Swiss flag is square, not rectangular. A square is just a special case of rectangle. Also, the Vatican flag is square, too. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2023, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-flag-debate-of-utah-now-moved-on-to-additional-states-currently-il/980694/64 "2023-03-06T16:23:24Z")
When or where does a beehive ever look like the ones in this thread? I think I just answered my question by looking at the wiki page for beehive and I found mention of a “bee skep” and that indeed looks like what is in this thread. Skeps were baskets that were turned upside down. Utah - Bee Skep State. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2023, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-flag-debate-of-utah-now-moved-on-to-additional-states-currently-il/980694/65 "2023-03-06T16:48:29Z")
I get mocked for the time we were driving through the countryside and I asked if those white buildings were sleeping quarters for migrant workers. So now, when we see bee boxes, “oh look, migrant workers” (which, in fact, they are). ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2023, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-flag-debate-of-utah-now-moved-on-to-additional-states-currently-il/980694/66 "2023-03-06T21:03:05Z")
While we’re replacing boring state flags, Vermont’s seal-on-a-blanket should be replaced by this historic banner, which is already the battle flag of the Vermont National Guard: > **[Flag of the Green Mountain Boys](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_the_Green_Mountain_Boys)** > > The Green Mountain Boys flag, also known as the Stark flag, is a reconstruction of a regimental flag commonly stated to have been used by the Green Mountain Boys. A remnant of a Green Mountain Boys flag, originally belonging to John Stark, is owned by the Bennington Museum. It still exists as one of the few regimental flags from the American Revolution. Although Stark was at the Battle of Bennington and likely flew this flag, the battle has become more commonly associated with the Bennin Today th... ---
**Author:** ![gnarator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gnarator/32/8266_2.png) [@gnarator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnarator)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2023, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-flag-debate-of-utah-now-moved-on-to-additional-states-currently-il/980694/67 "2023-03-06T21:11:47Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > > [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > > > > [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > > > > > I’m also a big fan of Ohio’s, and would be even if I didn’t live here. > > > > It is the only one that is burgee-shaped. > > Just one of its several charms. Wasn’t there some right wing pundit who got bent out of shape back in 2008 when Obama was campaigning in Ohio, and the stage had all these Ohio “O” flags? He thought Obama was flying his own personal flag? ETA: [It was Bob Grant.](https://www.mediamatters.org/abc/radio-host-bob-grant-asserted-obama-created-o-flag-apparent-flag-question-was-ohios) Proof that Obama wanted to be a dictator. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2023, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-flag-debate-of-utah-now-moved-on-to-additional-states-currently-il/980694/68 "2023-03-06T21:25:01Z")
Maybe those NFL personal intro clips they show at the start of a televised game where each player states his name and _alma mater_ should be changed: > Jonas Johnson. _The_ Obama State. Cue RW heads asploding from coast to coast. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2023, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-flag-debate-of-utah-now-moved-on-to-additional-states-currently-il/980694/69 "2023-03-25T21:17:15Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > It now goes to the Governor for his decision. Update: Governor signed the law on Tuesday. > **[Utah governor signs bill for new state flag, veto referendum filed to stop it...](https://news.ballotpedia.org/2023/03/24/utah-governor-signs-bill-for-new-state-flag-veto-referendum-filed-to-stop-it/)** > [@](#): > > To put the measure on the 2024 ballot, signatures from 8% of active voters as of Jan. 2023 (134,298 valid signatures) are due on April 12, 2023. If enough signatures are submitted, the bill will be on hold and the question of whether or not to adopt a new state flag will be decided by voters on Nov. 5, 2024. Interesting article from WaPo (gift link) > **[This is Utah’s new flag — and here’s why more states are mulling redesigns](https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/03/25/utah-new-flag-vexillology/?pwapi_token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWJpZCI6IjMxMTQ0NDA1IiwicmVhc29uIjoiZ2lmdCIsIm5iZiI6MTY3OTcxNjgwMCwiaXNzIjoic3Vic2NyaXB0aW9ucyIsImV4cCI6MTY4MTAxMjc5OSwiaWF0IjoxNjc5NzE2ODAwLCJqdGkiOiI2MWE1YTU0Mi05MGQ4LTRlODUtYTNhZS03NjkwZGViMDFmOWQiLCJ1cmwiOiJodHRwczovL3d3dy53YXNoaW5ndG9ucG9zdC5jb20vbmF0aW9uLzIwMjMvMDMvMjUvdXRhaC1uZXctZmxhZy12ZXhpbGxvbG9neS8ifQ.NsL_b-xQ0FT6waVH4jmcQdWamHOGL4fn6t9qzXzaPPI&itid=gfta)** > > Illinois, Massachusetts and Minnesota are all considering overhauls as well. Experts say one wildly popular podcast episode deserves some credit. ---
**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2023, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-flag-debate-of-utah-now-moved-on-to-additional-states-currently-il/980694/70 "2023-03-25T22:11:06Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Yeah, but which province has the [absolute best license plate](https://i.pinimg.com/736x/bd/d1/ae/bdd1aee9d1f0e9e81393cf7653bda249.jpg)? I bought one of those on eBay, because I collect bear-related items. ---
**Author:** ![Hypno-Toad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b2d939/32.png) [@Hypno-Toad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hypno-Toad)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2023, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-flag-debate-of-utah-now-moved-on-to-additional-states-currently-il/980694/71 "2023-03-26T00:00:06Z")
A good article, not least for the link to the Laser-Kiwi. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2023, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-flag-debate-of-utah-now-moved-on-to-additional-states-currently-il/980694/72 "2023-03-26T18:15:34Z")
Y’know, it doesn’t look as bad on cloth. Maybe being an actual flag makes it look less like a corporate logo. ---
**Author:** ![Grestarian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grestarian/32/3227_2.png) [@Grestarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grestarian)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2023, 6:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-flag-debate-of-utah-now-moved-on-to-additional-states-currently-il/980694/73 "2023-04-02T06:50:46Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > [https://www.50states.com/flag/](https://www.50states.com/flag/) On first glance I thought Rhode Island’s said NOPE 🤦🏽 –G! ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2023, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-flag-debate-of-utah-now-moved-on-to-additional-states-currently-il/980694/74 "2023-04-02T14:22:12Z")
Well, Rhode Island was the last state to ratify… ---
**Author:** ![Crane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crane/32/3495_2.png) [@Crane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crane)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2023, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-flag-debate-of-utah-now-moved-on-to-additional-states-currently-il/980694/75 "2023-04-02T14:44:11Z")
The [**Zia**](https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=AwrFZFbPkylkceow_GtXNyoA;_ylu=Y29sbwNiZjEEcG9zAzIEdnRpZAMyNTQzNFNUXzEEc2VjA3Ny/RV=2/RE=1680475215/RO=10/RU=https%3a%2f%2fwww.ip-watch.org%2f2018%2f12%2f11%2findigenous-knowledge-misappropriation-case-zia-sun-symbol-explained-wipo%2f/RK=2/RS=HTMMEfsOHiH8.mQZ7Nx3aBrAZfE-) on the New Mexico flag is the sacred symbol of Zia Pueblo. It’s the Pueblo equivalent of an image of Our Lady of Guadalupe. The state has been sued by the Pueblo. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2023, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-flag-debate-of-utah-now-moved-on-to-additional-states-currently-il/980694/76 "2023-04-02T15:09:17Z")
Just got back from a visit to Deer Valley. Looked, but did not see the new flag. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2023, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-flag-debate-of-utah-now-moved-on-to-additional-states-currently-il/980694/77 "2023-04-02T17:45:05Z")
On a high school tour of the state capitol in Salem, the tour guide was showing us the large bronze state seal in the rotunda floor. Naturally, I asked, “If that is the seal, where are its flippers?” Well trained, she responded, “I don’t know about its flippers, but,” pointing to the douglas firs depicted on the side, “there’s its bark.” ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2023, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-flag-debate-of-utah-now-moved-on-to-additional-states-currently-il/980694/78 "2023-04-02T18:07:24Z")
Sounds like you’re the one who received the bite! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Strangelove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.strangelove/32/6613_2.png) [@Dr.Strangelove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Strangelove)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2023, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-flag-debate-of-utah-now-moved-on-to-additional-states-currently-il/980694/79 "2023-04-03T00:20:37Z")
[CGP Grey’s take on the state flags](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4w6808wJcU) (I’d inline it, but I guess embedded YouTube links are still broken) The new Utah flag gets S-tier (the top). His North Carolina ranking is totally biased. You shouldn’t get around the “putting your name on the flag is an automatic fail” by using the _initials_ instead. Doesn’t deserve more than an FB if he was being fair. ---
**Author:** ![gnarator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gnarator/32/8266_2.png) [@gnarator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnarator)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2023, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-flag-debate-of-utah-now-moved-on-to-additional-states-currently-il/980694/80 "2023-04-03T21:44:16Z")
I thought it was funny–my state was the worst. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-flag-debate-of-utah-now-moved-on-to-additional-states-currently-il/980694.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-flag-debate-of-utah-now-moved-on-to-additional-states-currently-il/980694.md?page=5)