# The Great Ongoing Aviation Thread (general and other) (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [October 23, 2011, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499 "2011-10-23T02:17:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 114
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/2262 "2021-08-07T13:33:35Z")
A couple of years ago at Oshkosh there was a demo of the F-22 and F-35. Along the flight line there where 2 people who appeared to be from a Pacific rim country west of Japan. Both with very expensive cameras and lenses. When the F-22 took off they didn’t take a single picture and seemed completely disinterested. When the F-35 took off they were laser focused. They seemed interested in it’s turning radius. 15 seconds of pictures and they walked away. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2021, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/2263 "2021-08-09T19:51:52Z")
> [@Richard\_Pearse](#): > > I don’t know that I would want to do a whole lot of post-WW2 (or WW1 for that matter) ground attacking in one of those! Even if they were blaring the Flight of the Valkaries from loud speakers? You could circle your enemy like a gunship and hope to hit something. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2021, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/2264 "2021-08-17T14:24:44Z")
Hadn’t thought of this before: > **[Just how hard is it to recycle a jumbo jet?](https://www.bbc.com/news/business-57983174)** > > Thousands of aircraft were left on the tarmac due to Covid, and many will now be broken up for parts. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2021, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/2265 "2021-08-17T15:09:37Z")
I keep getting ads on Facebook for tags made of specific aircraft. Like, if you want a tag made from a T-38 or a 747, you can get one. ---
**Author:** ![WildaBeast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wildabeast/32/6_2.png) [@WildaBeast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WildaBeast)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2021, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/2266 "2021-08-17T16:51:03Z")
> “The only thing that really can’t be physically recycled at the moment is the cabin interior because it is made of mixed plastics,” Mr Cobbold explains. I know some cabin interior pieces get sold to Hollywood prop suppliers for use in TV/film sets, but that is probably a small market compared to the number of planes being scrapped. > [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > I keep getting ads on Facebook for tags made of specific aircraft. Like, if you want a tag made from a T-38 or a 747, you can get one. I own a couple of those. I have one from a DC-9 on my key ring, one from a 747 on my luggage, and I recently acquired one from a 707 that’s on my backpack. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2021, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/2267 "2021-08-17T17:03:54Z")
I would imagine the 747-400 is still viable for conversion to a freighter. I’m going to look for some planes I dealt with in the past to see if they made tags out of them. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2021, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/2268 "2021-08-20T14:32:29Z")
I suppose some idjits will just pound down a few brewskis _before_ boarding now. > **[American Airlines extends ban on alcohol sales to main cabin passengers until...](https://www.aol.com/finance/american-airlines-extends-ban-alcohol-173440145.html)** > > News of the extension emerged Thursday, the same day the FAA announced that proposed fines for unruly passengers this year had topped $1 million. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2021, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/2269 "2021-08-20T17:18:46Z")
It just says ban on sales. Doesn’t say you can’t carry it on the plane. Someone can buy a 10 pack of minis for their carry-on luggage and still have room for a change of clothes for after they pass out and throw up on themselves. ---
**Author:** ![MikeF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@MikeF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MikeF)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2021, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/2270 "2021-08-20T18:08:17Z")
Not GA but rather military. An F 22 just appeared at a local airshow. Its not the first time I’ve seen one but it is still impressive. One part of the demo was a vertical climb to very low airspeed and then using vectored thrust to sort of flip over and dive away. So it CAN do it but it there any real world application where a pilot would WANT to do it or is it just using the birds capabilities to show off? I wouldn’t think you would ever want to be going slow enough while in combat to do such a thing. Maybe both you and your opponent going vertical and whoever drops off first, loses? BTW, I might be old school but, IMHO, the F 14 was the most impressive flight demo I’ve seen. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2021, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/2271 "2021-08-20T19:51:55Z")
[\> The videos of the Russian Sukhoi SU-35 are pretty impressive](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaT4XsWrqSE) . It has fully articulated thrust vectoring. The pilot can induce a flat spin and fly out of it. If you’re a pilot you just stare at this in disbelief. Remember the movie Top Gun? He loses control of the F-14 in a flat spin. Not sure what it’s good for other than ground support. You could do some crop duster maneuvers over a battle field if nobody had missiles to shoot back at them. But You can do the same thing with a B-52 with stand-off weapons that launch from high altitude and separate into groups of smaller weapons that seek out ground targets. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2021, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/2272 "2021-08-21T13:54:35Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > It just says ban on sales. Doesn’t say you can’t carry it on the plane. Someone can buy a 10 pack of minis for their carry-on luggage and still have room for a change of clothes for after they pass out and throw up on themselves. > **[The problem with BYOB on flights](https://www.washingtonpost.com/travel/2021/07/08/byob-alcohol-flights-unruly-passengers/)** > > Passengers can only drink alcohol if an airline serves it, according to the FAA. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2021, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/2273 "2021-08-21T16:08:35Z")
That makes Elendil’s Heir’s prediction option number one. Option 2 is a number of bathroom trips to engage the recycling process. Option 3 would not involve alcohol. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2021, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/2274 "2021-08-23T14:54:02Z")
What are the pods handing under the wings of this MC-130 Combat Talon II (see video below, queued to the right spot)? I’d usually just guess fuel tanks but they have a weird, tiny spinner on the front and the back of them taper off and point down a bit and are squared off and look like some sort of exhaust…or something. Seems a weird things to do for a fuel tank (which I would expect to look more like the pods between the two engines). [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/wU14e23PrHo/maxresdefault.jpg "(4K) EAA AirVenture Oshkosh 2021 Plane Spotting Highlights") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wU14e23PrHo) ---
**Author:** ![Pork\_Rind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pork_rind/32/111_2.png) [@Pork\_Rind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pork_Rind)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2021, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/2275 "2021-08-23T15:25:49Z")
Those are Mk 32B-902E refueling pods, commonly used for Osprey refueling operations from what I can tell. [https://www.cobhammissionsystems.com/air-to-air-refuelling/hose-and-drogue-systems/wing-air-refuelling-pods/900e-series-pod-datasheet/docview/](https://www.cobhammissionsystems.com/air-to-air-refuelling/hose-and-drogue-systems/wing-air-refuelling-pods/900e-series-pod-datasheet/docview/) ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2021, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/2276 "2021-08-23T20:55:14Z")
Looking at their website the turbine on the nose of it provides power or it can accept power from the aircraft. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2021, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/2277 "2021-08-28T02:33:54Z")
The YouTube personality Mentour Pilot has posted a video detailing the absolutely nuts problems encountered by Air Astana Flight 1388. I had never heard of this one before and the story is crazy. Imagine the most violent roller coaster you have ever been on, multiply it x10, and ride it for 90 minutes or more, non-stop, all the time knowing death is a very real possibility. The plane flew inverted more than once. I know there are a zillion of these kinds of videos out there but I thought this one was unusual enough to interest people here. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/5ywaMkMTwWk/maxresdefault.jpg "Runaway AIRCRAFT! This Aircraft Flew TWO HOURS Without CONTROLS!") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ywaMkMTwWk) Here is a partial (not sure how much time it covers) pic of their flight path to give you an idea: [![](https://i.imgur.com/w5yrbD8.png) ](https://i.imgur.com/w5yrbD8.png) ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2021, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/2278 "2021-08-28T05:31:22Z")
If they got it off the ground that means the elevator and probably the rudder worked. they could have flown off of engine differential and rudder to steer and elevator and engine to trim for approach. that gets them a controlled climb scenario for some wiggle room to figure out what was what… But WOW. 4.5 G’s in a commercial plane is really something. 2 hrs of disoriented flight control is unimaginable. . ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2021, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/2279 "2021-08-28T23:59:33Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > But WOW. 4.5 G’s in a commercial plane is really something. 2 hrs of disoriented flight control is unimaginable. . When the plane was inspected they deemed it a total write-off. The forces exerted on the plane during that flight did irreparable damage. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2021, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/2280 "2021-08-29T02:17:04Z")
Somebody owes the crew a dinner. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2021, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/2281 "2021-08-29T03:28:27Z")
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