# The Great Ongoing Aviation Thread (general and other) (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [October 23, 2011, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499 "2011-10-23T02:17:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 128
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2022, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/2543 "2022-02-04T02:00:17Z")
the commercial pilots can chime in but I don’t think engine torque from a turbine is the same as a recip. It looks like a classic stall/spin the way the wing drops so quickly. It’s virtually fatal at that altitude. Basically a wing that is stalling has to be corrected with the rudder. If you try to lift a stalling wing using normal wing controls (ailerons) you accelerate the stall. It will snap right over. It could also be a case where the plane hit a vortex from a larger plane that just took off. [Here’s an example of a this](https://www.euroga.org/forums/flying/5311-antonov-2-wake-dr400-accident). Warning it’s a real crash. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2022, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/2544 "2022-02-06T00:45:37Z")
Watching Point Break (1967). There’s a plane in it that looked like a tricycle Twin Beech, only it had a straight tail instead of the H-tail. I had to look it up. It was a Twin Beech; specifically a C-45H. Turns out N9943Z crashed in 1968 and was destroyed in the post-crash fire. Non-fatal, 1 person aboard, minor or no injuries. The NTSB report says ‘PLT DID NOT ALLOW ADEQUATE SEPARATION BEHIND LNDG JET ACFT.’ Sounds like he got caught in the vortex/vortices behind a jet landing at O’Hare. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2022, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/2545 "2022-02-11T17:38:05Z")
My uncle sent me a link to the F-35 crash. > **[This Leaked Video Shows an F-35's Fiery Crash in the South China Sea](https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/aviation/a39015534/f-35-crash-landing-video-leak/)** > > The Navy has confirmed that the footage of last month's landing mishap is genuine—and wants to uncover the leaker. Unk is retired Navy, and he called it a PLAT video. I’m guessing that stands for P[something] Landing And Takeoff. Can someone enlighten me? ---
**Author:** ![cytop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f17d59/32.png) [@cytop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cytop)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2022, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/2546 "2022-02-11T19:19:52Z")
Possibly “Pilot Landing Aid Television” > Installation of the [Pilot Landing Aid Television](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Coral_Sea_(CV-43)#Vietnam_and_operations_in_the_1960s_to_early_1970s) (PLAT) system was completed on _Coral Sea_ on 14 December 1961. She was the first carrier to have this system installed for operations use. Designed to provide a videotape of every landing, the system proved useful for instructional purposes and in the analysis of landing accidents, thereby making it an invaluable tool in the promotion of safety. By 1963, all attack carriers had been equipped with PLAT and plans were underway for installation in the CVSs and at shore stations. ---
**Author:** ![Tride](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tride/32/13907_2.png) [@Tride](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tride)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2022, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/2547 "2022-02-11T19:24:53Z")
Seems more like a SPLAT video to me… ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2022, 7:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/2548 "2022-02-12T07:46:40Z")
I’d rather miss the 3rd arrestor cable and do a go-around than hit the back of the ship. Carrier landings are the least forgiving of any landing. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2022, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/2549 "2022-02-12T15:12:56Z")
Thank you, cytop. I knew all landings were recorded, of course; but I don’t think I thought of it as having a name until my uncle used it. I knew what he was asking about (before he found the video I linked above), but I couldn’t think what the acronym stood for. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2022, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/2550 "2022-02-12T16:19:26Z")
looking at the video of the crash it looked like the nose was way too high. Pilot must have gotten behind the power curve and couldn’t spin the engine up fast enough. I’m kinda surprised they haven’t engineered a “catcher’s mitt” on the end of the carrier to absorb the shock of just such an impact. They could simply tilt the end of the carrier down at say 25 degrees and encase it with a calculated amount of energy absorbing material like they do for car barriers. In my city we use to have a high-tech water baffle system on the end of a guard rail that split the roads off. It would stop a car at highway speeds. [It’s on it’s 3rd design change](https://www.google.com/maps/@39.7503138,-84.2058167,3a,15.7y,168.57h,78.46t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sdMKvjMYqDYh-NVwLdChJoA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) Some airports have [arrestor beds](https://abcnews.go.com/Travel/video/airport-runway-arrestor-beds-basics-43138045) installed past the end of the runway that will slow planes by letting them sink down and plow to a stop. It may sound radical but the modern fighter jet is expensive as are accidents on a carrier. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2022, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/2551 "2022-02-12T16:29:21Z")
And since we’re talking about carrier landings at the moment I thought I’d post a project they did back in the 60s that involved a [KC-130 landing without a hook system](https://www.military.com/video/military-aircraft-operations/carrier-landings/c-130-carrier-landing-without-hook/2812569251001). ---
**Author:** ![Bookkeeper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bookkeeper/32/281_2.png) [@Bookkeeper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bookkeeper)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2022, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/2552 "2022-02-13T15:32:22Z")
I’m sure I’ve seen the airplane in [this commercial](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeE-3jParv0), or at least one with the same distinctive swooping rear fuselage. Can anyone identify the plane? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2022, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/2553 "2022-02-13T15:41:42Z")
Are you sure it’s real? - In the closeup when she’s flying, it looks like bare aluminum. A modern aircraft like that would be made of composite. - The cockpit is set way too far back to be practical. Poor forward visibility. - It doesn’t have a canopy. Could be a one-off racer, but it could also be a digital composite. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2022, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/2554 "2022-02-13T15:48:56Z")
I think it’s a digital image of an imagined plane. It goes with the theme of the commercial about fulfilling dreams. It’s part of their “ambitions made real” campaign. If it’s a one-off racer I don’t think the giant nose scoop would be consistent with a modern aerodynamic design. It’s such a beautiful plane that it wouldn’t surprise me if someone didn’t just build one. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2022, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/2555 "2022-02-13T16:06:05Z")
the ailerons are tapered, the main gears are ass backwards, there’s no tail wheel and it doesn’t appear to have rudders. ---
**Author:** ![Bookkeeper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bookkeeper/32/281_2.png) [@Bookkeeper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bookkeeper)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2022, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/2556 "2022-02-13T17:20:07Z")
I agree it’s very likely a digital composite, but that rear end swoop - I’m sure I’ve seen that on a real plane, probably a single-seat high performance one. I’m trying to find the real life inspiration(s), if there are any. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2022, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/2557 "2022-02-13T17:36:24Z")
Cirrus are a bit swoopy. > **[Cirrus Aircraft](https://cirrusaircraft.com)** > > Cirrus Aircraft is the global leader in personal aviation. Delivering an aviation experience is the pinnacle of innovation, quality and safety to our customers. So are Lancairs. > **[Lancair 360](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancair_360)** > > Pages for logged out editors learn more > > The Lancair 360 is a two-seat aircraft marketed in kit form. It is a low-wing monoplane of conventional configuration with retractable tricycle undercarriage. The Lancair Legacy was chosen to replace the Lancair 360 in 1999. > Data from Lancair General characteristics ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2022, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/2558 "2022-02-13T19:07:14Z")
Diamond aircraft have that very narrow rear fuselage. [![](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT9wue88H6AqoIh8jocB9hVeh7gpufhDUOdAe1e5KaoBIZWf4gpkjv8f6pW8civyp4qaSU&usqp=CAU) ](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT9wue88H6AqoIh8jocB9hVeh7gpufhDUOdAe1e5KaoBIZWf4gpkjv8f6pW8civyp4qaSU&usqp=CAU) Do an image search on Diamond aircraft to see other examples. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2022, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/2559 "2022-02-13T19:10:00Z")
I knew I forgot one. (And it was actually the first thing that came to my imagination, though the name didn’t.) ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2022, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/2560 "2022-02-13T19:12:02Z")
took me awhile but the nose reminded me of an old race plane. [Brown B-2 Racer](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_B-2_Racer) I remembered that from the movie The Aviator. It was also open cockpit. Possibly a tribute to that plane. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2022, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/2561 "2022-02-13T19:17:06Z")
It reminded me of my favourite Guillow’s kit. [![](http://www.virtualaerodrome.com/user_aircraft_images/40698.jpg) ](http://www.virtualaerodrome.com/user_aircraft_images/40698.jpg) > **[Amazon.com: Guillows 28inch Arrow # 702 by Guillow's : Toys & Games](https://www.amazon.com/Guillows-28inch-Arrow-702/dp/B017JLX928)** > > Amazon.com: Guillows 28inch Arrow # 702 by Guillow's : Toys & Games ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2022, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/2562 "2022-02-13T19:18:34Z")
The far aft cockpit also reminds me of the Caudron C.460, an air racer from the '30s. > **[Caudron C.460](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caudron_C.460)** > > Pages for logged out editors learn more > > The Caudron C.450 and C.460 were French racing aircraft built to participate in the Coupe Deutsch de la Meurthe race of 1934. > Developed from the Caudron C.362 flown in the previous year's race, a single C.450 and three C.460s were built for the 1934 event. All were powered by a supercharged Renault 456 six-cylinder inverted air-cooled engine driving a Ratier two-position variable-pitch propeller. The airframe was primarily built from spruce a... [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499.md?page=127) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499.md?page=129)