# The Great Ongoing Aviation Thread (general and other) (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [October 23, 2011, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499 "2011-10-23T02:17:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 130
**Author:** ![Richard\_Pearse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/richard_pearse/32/13144_2.png) [@Richard\_Pearse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Pearse)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2022, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/2583 "2022-02-19T02:58:09Z")
Very interesting. I wasn’t aware of their other activities. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2022, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/2584 "2022-02-19T03:24:44Z")
A fully extended windsock at a right angle to the runway would be at least 15 knot crosswind. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2022, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/2585 "2022-02-19T22:58:08Z")
An R44 crash offshore in Miami Beach. Three people onboard. Pilot is ‘doing OK’, and the passengers have broken backs. > **[Three people injured after helicopter crashes in ocean near Miami Beach coast](https://www.yahoo.com/news/three-people-injured-helicopter-crashes-212036775.html)** > > Three people were injured when a helicopter crashed into the Atlantic ocean off a Miami Beach coast, the fire department said. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2022, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/2586 "2022-02-19T23:39:44Z")
Is this power mismanagement? It didn’t look like much in the way of a flare. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2022, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/2587 "2022-02-20T02:54:51Z")
Hard to tell. It may have been a power failure, and the pilot executed the autorotation incorrectly. If so, he may have been trying to get as close to the beach as possible, and at the same time avoid any people on the ground (or in the water). You can see he tried to flare at the end. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2022, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/2588 "2022-02-25T15:29:04Z")
Not General Aviation, but… > **[Unconfirmed Reports Suggest The World's Largest Plane Has Been Destroyed](https://simpleflying.com/reports-suggest-worlds-largest-plane-destroyed/)** > > Only one of the record-breaking aircraft was ever completed. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2022, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/2589 "2022-02-27T19:19:42Z")
> **[World's largest cargo aircraft was destroyed during a Russian attack on an...](https://www.yahoo.com/news/worlds-largest-cargo-aircraft-destroyed-162948202.html)** > > Multiple sources claimed that the AN-225 Mriya had been targeted while it was sitting in a hangar at the Antonov Airfield. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2022, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/2590 "2022-02-27T19:47:51Z")
Typical news story that can’t be bothered to publish the right picture. That’s a 124 in the picture and it’s written right on the body of the plane. I’ve been in the cockpit of a 124. it’s like a bowling alley… I think you could use the engineer’s desk as a bunk. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2022, 11:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/2591 "2022-03-03T11:30:19Z")
NOTAM 2/9510 says, in part: > [@](#): > > ALL AIRCRAFT, REGARDLESS OF THE STATE OF REGISTRY, OWNED, CHARTERED, LEASED, OPERATED OR CONTROLLED BY, FOR, OR FOR THE BENEFIT OF, A PERSON WHO IS A CITIZEN OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION ARE PROHIBITED FROM OPERATING TO, FROM, WITHIN, OR THROUGH U.S. TERRITORIAL AIRSPACE They’re discussing this over at [https://www.reddit.com/r/flying/comments/t4smet/notam\_29510\_and\_russianamericans/](https://www.reddit.com/r/flying/comments/t4smet/notam_29510_and_russianamericans/) They are specifically wondering if Russian citizens legally in the United States are grounded from general aviation activities. The discussion is focusing on being a CFI or a student if you are a Russian citizen (ETA: Or even simply being a passenger on a regular scheduled commercial domestic airline flight). I happen to know one such person (a CFI / ASEL in the S. F. area), who just yesterday had occasion to send me an e-mail including this comment: > There’s a slim chance that ban-all-russians NOTAM precludes me from teaching, I’ll let you know if that frees my weekend up! ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2022, 12:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/2592 "2022-03-03T12:09:01Z")
To whomever it may interest, [the full text of NOTAM 2/9510 is here](https://www.faa.gov/sites/faa.gov/files/2022-03/63620382.pdf) (pdf, 1 page long). ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2022, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/2593 "2022-03-03T13:27:44Z")
[[Deleted by poster since it is a repeat]] ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2022, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/2594 "2022-03-03T13:33:05Z")
Why on earth didn’t they relocate the plane to a safer place? It’s not like the impending war was a surprise to anyone. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2022, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/2595 "2022-03-04T15:14:29Z")
> **[Aircraft manufacturers with facilities in Ukraine under threat](https://www.aopa.org/news-and-media/all-news/2022/march/02/aircraft-manufacturers-with-facilities-in-ukraine-under-threat)** > > Flight Design and Aeroprakt officials say their production facilities in Ukraine will continue making aircraft. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2022, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/2596 "2022-03-04T15:38:52Z")
> **[Video shows charred wreck of world's biggest airplane, the Antonov AN-225,...](https://www.yahoo.com/news/video-shows-charred-wreck-worlds-123528554.html)** > > Russian state TV broadcast images the wreck of the massive "Mriya," blaming Ukraine for its destruction. Ukraine says that Russia destroyed the plane. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2022, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/2597 "2022-03-04T16:11:34Z")
That sucks. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2022, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/2598 "2022-03-04T18:31:25Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Why on earth didn’t they relocate the plane to a safer place? It’s not like the impending war was a surprise to anyone. It was there for engine work. They would have to secure it for ferrying on less engines. Doable but it takes time. The Russians portrayed it as a Ukrainian plane but it was built to haul the Soviet Space Shuttle. They just crapped on their own history… There’s still another 225 around (partially completed). Not sure where it’s located. Also, was that an unexploded artillery shell shell in the video? ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2022, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/2599 "2022-03-04T21:10:44Z")
> [@AOPA item quoted by Johnny\_L.A above](#): > > [Aircraft manufacturers with facilities in Ukraine under threat - AOPA](https://www.aopa.org/news-and-media/all-news/2022/march/02/aircraft-manufacturers-with-facilities-in-ukraine-under-threat) > [@](#): > > Flight Design and Aeroprakt officials say their production facilities in Ukraine will continue making aircraft. A friend took me flying with him once in his Flight Design airplane, a CTSW. (Stands for Composite Technology, Short Wing I think). It’s a strange-looking cute little two-seat airplane. The doors are hinged at the top, so they open like a gull-wing. Pic from [Wikipedia page](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_Design_CT): [![](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/aa/CTSW_N646MA.jpg/800px-CTSW_N646MA.jpg) ](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/aa/CTSW_N646MA.jpg/800px-CTSW_N646MA.jpg) ETA: Wiki says it’s a German company, but with construction facility in Ukraine. ---
**Author:** ![N9IWP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/n9iwp/32/3154_2.png) [@N9IWP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N9IWP)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2022, 12:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/2600 "2022-03-08T12:19:30Z")
Engine failure video very nice dead stick landing IMHO [Video: Cessna 205 catastrophic engine failure — General Aviation News](https://generalaviationnews.com/2022/03/02/video-cessna-205-catastrophic-engine-failure/) Brian ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2022, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/2601 "2022-03-09T19:03:43Z")
After looking at the damage he’s lucky the engine didn’t depart the plane. The landing was a little too good. Not much room for error. I hope he keeps some of the parts for hangar wall decorations. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2022, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/2602 "2022-03-09T20:01:44Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > The doors are hinged at the top, so they open like a gull-wing. “Gullwing” means something else for airplanes. [![](https://rareaircraft.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Stinson-SR-9F-feature1-940x340.jpg) ](https://rareaircraft.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Stinson-SR-9F-feature1-940x340.jpg) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499.md?page=129) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499.md?page=131)