# The Great Ongoing Aviation Thread (general and other) (Part 1)

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499>\
**Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\
**Created:** [October 23, 2011, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499 "2011-10-23T02:17:01Z")\
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**Author:** ![Richard\_Pearse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/richard_pearse/32/13144_2.png) [@Richard\_Pearse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Pearse)\
**Post date:** [April 14, 2022, 7:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/2643 "2022-04-14T07:46:22Z")

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A good bit of publicity regardless. I wonder if they will have the different routes available as options on any given day depending on the weather conditions? It’s normal to have various route options but I don’t think it would be that common to have them flying in opposite directions.

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**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\
**Post date:** [April 15, 2022, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/2644 "2022-04-15T16:31:32Z")

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> **[FBI Completes Investigation into August 2018 Unauthorized Flight from...](https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices/seattle/news/press-releases/fbi-completes-investigation-into-august-2018-unauthorized-flight-from-seattle-tacoma-airport)**
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> The FBI has completed its investigation of the unauthorized flight of a Horizon Air Q400 aircraft that occurred on Friday, August 10, 2018, from Seattle-Tacoma International Airport in Washington.

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**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\
**Post date:** [April 17, 2022, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/2645 "2022-04-17T04:11:02Z")

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It took 4 years to determine a person who apologizes in advance for his actions was on a suicide mission?

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [April 18, 2022, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/2646 "2022-04-18T15:40:31Z")

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That _does_ seem a bit slow. Here’s more: [2018 Horizon Air Q400 incident - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Horizon_Air_Q400_incident)

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [April 18, 2022, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/2647 "2022-04-18T15:40:55Z")

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Also of interest:

> **[Can the world's largest plane ever fly again? | CNN](https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/antonov-an-225-ukraine-rebuilding/index.html)**
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> Ukraine has vowed to rebuild the gigantic Mriya AN-225 airplane after it was destroyed in the Russian invasion. While this would restore a symbol of pride for the country, getting this unique Soviet-era aircraft back in the air will be a challenge.

> **[Antonov An-225 Mriya](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonov_An-225_Mriya)**
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> Pages for logged out editors learn more
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> 			 
> The Antonov An-225 Mriya (Ukrainian: Антонов Ан-225 Мрія, lit. 'dream' or 'inspiration'; NATO reporting name: Cossack) was a strategic airlift cargo aircraft designed and produced by the Antonov Design Bureau in the Soviet Union.
> It was originally developed during the 1980s as an enlarged derivative of the Antonov An-124 airlifter for the express purpose of transporting Buran-class orbiters. On 21 December 1988, the An-225 performed its maiden ...

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**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\
**Post date:** [April 19, 2022, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/2648 "2022-04-19T02:43:19Z")

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After seeing the later pictures of the plane I don’t think it’s salvageable but they might be able to finish the 2nd one under construction. I’d expect all the tooling is long gone though.

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**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\
**Post date:** [April 20, 2022, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/2649 "2022-04-20T16:51:00Z")

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Wouldn’t surprise me if Putin sent more missiles at Mriya just because.

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**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\
**Post date:** [April 21, 2022, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/2650 "2022-04-21T12:33:49Z")

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> [@Whack-a-Mole](#):
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> Did Trevor Jacob crash his plane intentionally?

Update on that story:

Full Title: **YouTube Influencer pilot Trevor Jacob crashed his plane on purpose so that he could record it for a video, the FAA finds: report**

> **[YouTube Influencer pilot Trevor Jacob crashed his plane on purpose so that he...](https://www.insider.com/influencer-pilot-trevor-jacob-crashed-plane-on-purpose-faa-2022-4)**
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> The 28-year-old, who has 133,000 YouTube subscribers, had been accused online of faking a plane crash last year to get views and likes.

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**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\
**Post date:** [April 21, 2022, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/2651 "2022-04-21T14:55:57Z")

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Not GA, but any DR.1 (replicas) you see flying today are GA.

On this date in 1918, Manfred von Richthofen was shot down and killed.

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**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\
**Post date:** [April 21, 2022, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/2652 "2022-04-21T15:49:38Z")

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[China tight-lipped on the China Eastern flight MU5375 crash.](https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20220421-china-reinforces-tight-control-over-plane-crash-mystery)

Well I’m shocked.

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**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\
**Post date:** [April 21, 2022, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/2653 "2022-04-21T15:55:12Z")

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> [@Whack-a-Mole](#):
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> Update on that story:
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> Full Title: **YouTube Influencer pilot Trevor Jacob crashed his plane on purpose so that he could record it for a video, the FAA finds: report**

I guess his next video will be “I crashed my Ultra Light”.

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**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\
**Post date:** [April 26, 2022, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/2654 "2022-04-26T15:40:40Z")

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[Student pilot comes under fire while landing a plane at Gardner Airport (yahoo.com)](https://www.yahoo.com/news/bullet-hole-found-plane-landed-205759951.html)

> The pilot tells Boston 25 he was two minutes away from landing and about 700 feet in the air when the bullet went through, hitting the fuel tank. Student pilot Dan Black says he and his instructor were practicing landing in the four-seater single-engine plane when they heard a pop and then smelled fuel.
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> “Once we started to smell the fuel, we knew something was going on,” said Black. “But we didn’t think it was a bullet. We saw that fuel was coming out of our wings, so we knew we had an issue with the left tank. And we parked the plane and dumped all the fuel out into buckets. And then during that process, we noticed there was a hole in the wing.”

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**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\
**Post date:** [April 27, 2022, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/2655 "2022-04-27T01:56:16Z")

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I hate it when they shoot at you on short final.

It went through the wing and into the bottom of the fuel tank. at 700 ft AGL that had to be a very small caliber bullet. Possibly a pellet from an air rifle.

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**Author:** ![Richard\_Pearse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/richard_pearse/32/13144_2.png) [@Richard\_Pearse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Pearse)\
**Post date:** [April 27, 2022, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/2656 "2022-04-27T03:01:41Z")

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As opposed to going straight through the wing you mean?

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**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\
**Post date:** [April 27, 2022, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/2657 "2022-04-27T16:48:43Z")

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the article made it sound like penetrating the wing was significant. It’s a soda can shaped into an airfoil. the tank isn’t very thick either.

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [April 27, 2022, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/2658 "2022-04-27T18:19:29Z")

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A $660m whoopsie:

> **[CEO: Boeing Should Have Rejected Trump’s Air Force One Deal](https://www.defenseone.com/business/2022/04/ceo-boeing-should-have-rejected-trumps-air-force-one-deal/366186/)**
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> The company revealed that it has lost $660 million outfitting the next presidential jets—so far.

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**Author:** ![ThisOneGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c0e974/32.png) [@ThisOneGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThisOneGuy)\
**Post date:** [April 27, 2022, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/2659 "2022-04-27T21:02:32Z")

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> [@Magiver](#):
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> It went through the wing and into the bottom of the fuel tank. at 700 ft AGL that had to be a very small caliber bullet. Possibly a pellet from an air rifle

This one shows a closeup of what looks like an exit hole with a ruler:

> **[Student pilot finds bullet holes in wing, fuel tank after landing plane](https://news.yahoo.com/student-pilot-finds-bullet-holes-114736964.html)**
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> A student pilot discovered bullet holes in the wing and fuel tank of his plane after landing in Massachusetts.

A bit keyholed, looks like a 0.22/5mm rifle bullet to me.

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [May 6, 2022, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/2660 "2022-05-06T13:36:31Z")

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NOT good:

> **[Passenger taken into custody after opening emergency exit and walking on wing...](https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/united-airlines-passenger-walking-on-wing/index.html)**
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> A United Airlines passenger was taken into custody Thursday morning at Chicago's O'Hare International Airport after opening an aircraft door and walking out onto the wing of the plane while it was taxiing.

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**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\
**Post date:** [May 6, 2022, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/2661 "2022-05-06T13:39:08Z")

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The guy in the aisle seat must have farted **really bad**!

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**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\
**Post date:** [May 6, 2022, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/2662 "2022-05-06T15:35:45Z")

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They need a boarding sign that says “you must be this sober to board and depart” with a picture of Foster Brooks

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