# The Great Ongoing Aviation Thread (general and other) (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [October 23, 2011, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499 "2011-10-23T02:17:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2014, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/361 "2014-07-21T00:48:04Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > IHave you looked into joining a flying club? Found one. $500 initiation fee, $130/month dues, PA-28 Warrior rents for $127/hr, 1970 Skylane rents for $155/hr. I can rent a Warrior from the FBO for $125/hr, and I don’t have to pay dues or an initiation fee. ---
**Author:** ![GusNSpot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gusnspot/32/436_2.png) [@GusNSpot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GusNSpot)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2014, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/362 "2014-07-21T04:46:12Z")
Used to go to Beaumont, Kansas & the Beaumont Hotel, about 113 miles North of Tulsa & 44 miles East of Wichita for breakfast or a burger. Taxied down the road & parked just South of the hotel. Me & family stayed there for Thanksgiving one year. Neat old place, very popular with the flying crowed. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c57346/32.png) [@Little\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Pig)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2014, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/363 "2014-07-22T20:46:05Z")
This may be of interest. [Law of physics governs airplane evolution.](http://www.sciencecodex.com/law_of_physics_governs_airplane_evolution-138028) ---
**Author:** ![ducati](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/cc9497/32.png) [@ducati](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ducati)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2014, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/364 "2014-08-01T02:50:02Z")
Submitted for your perusal… > **[The Most Beautiful Planes At EAA AirVenture 2014](https://jalopnik.com/the-most-beautiful-planes-at-eaa-airventure-2014-1614119930)** > > From Flight Club: Without a doubt, there's no other place quite like EAA AirVenture in Oshkosh, Wisconsin with such a wide variety of planes — from experimental to vintage, and warbird to glider. Like you'd see at any car show, each plane is polished... ---
**Author:** ![GusNSpot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gusnspot/32/436_2.png) [@GusNSpot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GusNSpot)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2014, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/365 "2014-08-01T05:39:44Z")
Good stuff… ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2014, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/366 "2014-08-03T20:32:22Z")
Just got back from Oshkosh. Lot’s of cool stuff (as usual). The [Lark of Deluth](http://www.fox21online.com/sites/default/files/styles/content/public/THE%20LARK%20OF%20DULUTH.jpg). [R6 QED (2 seat Gee Bee).](http://aviationweek.com/site-files/aviationweek.com/files/imagecache/galleryformatter_slide_penton/gallery_images/8%20qed2.jpg)[A flock of Electras.](http://aviationweek.com/site-files/aviationweek.com/files/imagecache/galleryformatter_slide_penton/gallery_images/1%20electras3.jpg)[A Bleriot.](http://www.stories.windmillpro.com/EarlyAviation2.htm) . A modified [NASA Canberra WB-57F](http://www.warbirdsnews.com/wp-content/uploads/NASA-WB-57F-will-make-its-first-visit-to-EAA-AirVenture-Oshkosh.jpg). British sub chaser [Fairey Gannet](http://www.eaa.org/~/media/images/news/av-2014/0802/gannet-s2400015-960.jpg). [Osprey’s.](http://www.jaypl.com/features/2008_07_Oshkosh/JesuitRetreat_AirVenture/IMG_0621.jpg) … ---
**Author:** ![GusNSpot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gusnspot/32/436_2.png) [@GusNSpot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GusNSpot)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2014, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/367 "2014-08-03T20:56:51Z")
Great pictures. I am so jealous. I do not want to pull many “G’s” in the Gannet. I have never been inside an Electra- 10 or… Grrrr B-57 is my favorite, "If I could have & afford one… " 2 engine jet airplane. They look so cool. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2014, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/368 "2014-08-03T21:01:31Z")
[Financing, insurance options offered for ‘Reimagined Aircraft’](http://www.aopa.org/News-and-Video/All-News/2014/July/30/Financing-insurance-options-offered-for-Reimagined-Aircraft) > [@](#): > > During a seminar about the program July 29 at EAA AirVenture, AOPA President Mark Baker, Aviat Aircraft President Stu Horn, and AOPA staff detailed the program and refurbishment process. About 10 Cessna 152s and one Cessna 150 will be refurbished by Aviat as part of AOPA’s experiment. AOPA chose the Cessna 150/152 because they have a proven track record and are available in abundant supply—there are more than 13,000 on the FAA’s registry. AOPA’s hope is that the model would be replicated by others, whether by refurbishing more Cessna 150/152 or expanding to other aircraft. > > The AOPA Aviation Financing Co. has worked with a couple of lenders to offer options to flying clubs, partnerships, and individuals to offer a low monthly payment for a Reimagined Cessna 150 or 152 priced at $89,900 and $99,900, respectively. New trainers aren’t available for less than a quarter million dollars, making these like-new Cessnas appealing to many looking to start up a flying club or partnership. I really like Cessna 150s/152s. Never flown one as a pilot, but I still like them. Fast? No. I remember a campaign claiming that they will do 110 mph – twice the then-national speed limit of 55 mph. I hear they handle well, though, and are fun to fly. Even as a child I liked the airiness of the cockpit with it’s optimistically huge baggage area. My only problem with them is that for me, it would be a single-seat airplane. Or I could have a passenger and not carry any fuel. It would be a blast to have one just to cheaply poke holes in the sky. I’m a little shocked by their selling prices. It’s not unusual to find a late-model 150 (i.e., up to 1977) selling in the mid-$30,000 range. OTOH, you can find them in the low-20s. There’s a 1964 D-model, which I like because it has the ‘Omni-Vision’ rear window and still has the straight tail, down at my old home airport for $14,500. (I’d want a 150M, though. I really like the 1977s they used in the ‘Take Off’ campaign.) Now, 90 kilobucks is a hell of a lot of money for a 30- to 40-year-old airplane; but they’re basically brand new. A new, factory-build Vans RV-12 sells for $115,000 to $123,000. Some people buy a plane, fly it to TBO, and then sell it and get a different one. If I were going to keep a plane, I’m thinking I’d pay $25,000 for the aircraft, $15,000 for the O-200 overhaul, spend, say, $10,000 for paint and upholstery, and I’d be just as happy with a ‘almost like new’ plane for $50,000 as I would with a $100,000 ‘really and truly like new’ one. Still, I’m a ‘fixer’. I applaud AOPA for turning old planes into new ones. And even $90,000 to $100,000 seems a bargain compared to the cost of a new airplane. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2014, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/369 "2014-08-03T22:08:48Z")
With all the advances in aviation you could build a kit plane to match a 152’s performance for much less than a new plane. I’d have to opt for a STOL type plane if I was looking at a 2 seater again. I like my little plane but it would be neat if it did something special within it’s price range. What’s really got me excited is the moving map software you can get for an ipad. For less than $2000 you can buy an ipad and an ADSB unit that gives you uploaded government weather and the safety of a TCAS system. My beloved Garmin 195 is now a frickin antique. I was drooling over these things at the show. Flying along an actual VFR map with everything at your fingertips. It was so frustrating flying back and trying to get my phone to show the weather enroute. I had to get down low for the cell towers to work. It really helped in deciding which way to go to get around stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2014, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/370 "2014-08-04T00:41:58Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > …URL=“[Early Aviation 2](http://www.stories.windmillpro.com/EarlyAviation2.htm)”]A Bleriot. … Surely it couldn’t have been flown to the air show? Any idea how it got there? ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2014, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/371 "2014-08-04T02:41:36Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > Surely it couldn’t have been flown to the air show? Any idea how it got there? Certainly trucked in. Last year it was parked at the Vintage barn. This year it was parked behind the Hangar Cafe. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2014, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/372 "2014-08-04T02:52:50Z")
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**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2014, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/373 "2014-08-04T02:58:37Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Certainly trucked in. Last year it was parked at the Vintage barn. This year it was parked behind the Hangar Cafe. I imagine flying it between home (wherever that is) and Oshkosh and back would take up most of the year. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2014, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/374 "2014-08-04T03:08:55Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > I imagine flying it between home (wherever that is) and Oshkosh and back would take up most of the year. 🙂 It’s an open cord wing warping design like the original Wright Brothers. Your first indication it’s stalling is a death spiral. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2014, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/375 "2014-08-04T03:18:47Z")
Ah, then not the bulk of a year, but the bulk of your life. On the plus side, a death spiral sounds like a cool way to die. ---
**Author:** ![usedtobe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ec9cab/32.png) [@usedtobe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/usedtobe)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2014, 6:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/376 "2014-08-04T06:59:18Z")
Up until the PR disaster of the in-flight folding wing and the companies attempt to blame anyone except themselves, they made easy-to-build (pop rivets) metal planes in both low-wing cruisers and high-wing STOL. Once the FAA and NTSB shut them down over a defective spar design, their response was to offer a dozen or so chunks of aluminum with instructions to open the wing AND the center-section and rivet these on. and they charged for this. If I had one of those things closed up, they owe me a mechanic to come to my plane, install a new wing, and re-paint to match. You might look into the Glastar - it is a 2+2 (they don’t sell it as such) steel cage with fiberglass shell and metal wing. The original owner of te rights was Stoddard-Hamilton, which went desperately broke once the boss started flying the Christian fish on all the literature. His response, in the newsletter: This is just what we believe. You do not have to agree, we can still do business, it’s just that we’re better than you. That was the last of that company - in 1980 it was leading edge. By 2000, they had been left in the dust. Then the boss goes out of his way to offend the few who were still buying his product (the Glasair). ---
**Author:** ![GusNSpot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gusnspot/32/436_2.png) [@GusNSpot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GusNSpot)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2014, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/377 "2014-08-04T22:21:22Z")
**usetobe** , who or what is your post referring to? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2014, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/378 "2014-08-04T22:40:34Z")
> [@GusNSpot](#): > > **usetobe** , who or what is your post referring to? Heh. I was going to ask him that myself, but I’m at work and got sidetracked from my message board reading. The incidents in his posts sound vaguely familiar. Can’t remember the plane, though. ETA: I think I’ve remembered: Zenair? . ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2014, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/379 "2014-08-05T03:01:07Z")
> [@GusNSpot](#): > > Great pictures. > I am so jealous. That may have been a very expensive trip this year. The day after I got back I went to fuel the plane and when I pulled on the propeller to move it out of the hanger it moved in/out and it’s leaking oil. I think the crank is now a 2 piece unit. ---
**Author:** ![GusNSpot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gusnspot/32/436_2.png) [@GusNSpot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GusNSpot)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2014, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/380 "2014-08-05T05:14:21Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > That may have been a very expensive trip this year. The day after I got back I went to fuel the plane and when I pulled on the propeller to move it out of the hanger it moved in/out and it’s leaking oil. I think the crank is now a 2 piece unit. Rut Row !!! :eek: Well, better to find it that way than at night while VFR on top. One of the funniest times I discovered I had a problem that I did not realize I had was when flying an old C-180 and had come in about 22:00 from down on the coast. I had been having some mag funny business so I went out to the hanger to look the next morning so I might could see something and tell our mechanic about it. I was leaning in the propeller, which was horizontal, with my forearms inside the upper cowling. I was just standing there looking at stuff & thinking magneto thoughts when I noticed I was running nuts in and out with both hands. Took a bit for that to sink in. I was running cylinder hold down nuts in and out at the bases of several cylinders. No lock nuts & the hold down nuts were free. :eek: I think I yelled real loud and was making feet prints in the hanger floor on my way to the office. I am glad that the incident did not get gnarly the night before while I was over a black area. I do not like that kind of excitement. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499.md?page=18) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499.md?page=20)