# The Great Ongoing Aviation Thread (general and other) (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [October 23, 2011, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499 "2011-10-23T02:17:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 269
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2024, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/5363 "2024-01-25T16:37:15Z")
Clearly, if you gamble and lose, the only answer is to gamble more, gamble harder, gamble faster. Double and redouble. You’ll win out eventually, guaranteed. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2024, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/5364 "2024-01-25T16:53:56Z")
Boeing is liable to it’s investors and there will surely be a demand for institutional change on how they do business. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2024, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/5365 "2024-01-26T22:50:04Z")
> China Airlines 5116, a Boeing 777, has a cruising speed of 564 mph, but the jet stream bumped it up over 800 mph > **[Roaring winds pushed passenger plane to record speed — and early landing](https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2024/01/26/airplane-flight-record-speed-pacific-jetstream/)** > > An exceptional jet stream boosted a China Airlines flight over the Pacific to 826 mph Thursday. Non-paywalled repost: [https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/news/roaring-winds-pushed-passenger-plane-to-record-speed-and-early-landing/ar-BB1hjLNt?ocid=weather-verthp-feeds](https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/news/roaring-winds-pushed-passenger-plane-to-record-speed-and-early-landing/ar-BB1hjLNt?ocid=weather-verthp-feeds) ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2024, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/5366 "2024-01-26T23:01:24Z")
> **[Man dead after stolen plane crashes along Texas-Oklahoma border](https://www.yahoo.com/news/man-dead-stolen-plane-crashes-061540562.html)** > > A man died after he stole a plane from an airport in Addison, Texas, then crashed it near the Texas-Oklahoma border Wednesday, officials said. > A man died after he stole a plane from an airport in Addison, Texas, then crashed it near the Texas-Oklahoma border Wednesday, officials said. > > The Texas Department of Public Safety said the plane, a Cessna 172, was stolen from the ATP Flight School at Addison Airport, about 15 miles north of downtown Dallas. … > > An air traffic control recording from earlier in the flight captured an exchange about his plans. > > “About right now you’ll probably realize that I’m not going to listen to y’all’s instructions and I’m just heading to East Texas,” he said, according to ATC recordings obtained by NBC News. “I’m going to pull the comm 1 circuit breaker and the comm 2 circuit breaker right here soon, as soon as I unkey the mic.” ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2024, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/5367 "2024-01-27T00:19:58Z")
East Texas, yet he crashed near the Oklahoma border. That there is all you need to know about the decedent. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2024, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/5368 "2024-01-27T00:43:59Z")
If he knew about the circuit breakers he might have known something about aircraft and flying. ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2024, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/5369 "2024-01-27T02:13:57Z")
But not much about navigation. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2024, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/5370 "2024-01-27T02:39:16Z")
Well he got the “getting off the ground” part right but didn’t do as well with the landing part. He got an “A” on gravity and was able to show his work. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2024, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/5371 "2024-01-27T03:01:47Z")
Don’t need no comm circuit breakers. Just turn down the volume or take off your headset. Or change freqs to something random. Moron. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2024, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/5372 "2024-01-27T03:05:54Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > Moron. I’m sad for the aircraft. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2024, 8:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/5373 "2024-01-27T08:44:55Z")
1st Max-9 airplane back in the air. Alaska Airlines COO Constance von Muehlen took the flight and sat in the seat next to the door plug. I suspect she kept her seat belt on and secured her cell phone in the overhead. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2024, 11:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/5374 "2024-01-27T11:30:59Z")
Meh, not sure why they’re getting so excited about what is basically a weather phenomenon. Talking about “faster than sound” in some of these articles is especially deceptive. In the pic below where a KLM flight got a similar tailwind assist, the ground speed of 711 kn (818 mph) results from a fairly brisk but perfectly ordinary true airspeed of 591.5 mph. > ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2024, 11:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/5375 "2024-01-27T11:35:15Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > 1st Max-9 airplane back in the air. Alaska Airlines COO Constance von Muehlen took the flight and sat in the seat next to the door plug. > > I suspect she kept her seat belt on and secured her cell phone in the overhead. … and was seen, prior to boarding, applying duct tape to certain sections of the fuselage. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Pearse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/richard_pearse/32/13144_2.png) [@Richard\_Pearse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Pearse)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2024, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/5376 "2024-01-27T19:15:22Z")
I read various Facebook and Reddit groups that sometimes have someone exclaiming how a passenger jet “went supersonic!” If I’m bored I will explain that the speed of sound is measured relative to the medium the sound is travelling through, ie the air, and so the plane’s speed must be measured by the same reference to compare the two. In which case the plane was doing the standard ≈80% of the speed of sound. Half the time I think they’re trolling. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2024, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/5377 "2024-01-27T20:01:47Z")
The problem with journalism is that the people involved in the process are not all-knowing. To create news requires vetting the facts which is time consuming. Insert “deadline” in a business market that is imploding financially and requires stories that grab attention quickly to survive. A great deal of it is “news” re-posted from other sources. ---
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2024, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/5378 "2024-01-27T23:00:22Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > Moron. Moroff. (technically / biologically speaking) ---
**Author:** ![Capn\_Carl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/838e76/32.png) [@Capn\_Carl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capn_Carl)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2024, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/5379 "2024-01-28T02:02:24Z")
I just watched the first 2 episodes of Masters of the Air, a follow-on to Band of Brothers and The Pacific. It’s covering B-17 aircrew of WW2, and it’s great. I love all the technical detail, but one item has me puzzled. There is a decal attached to the _front_ of each pilot’s seat headrest. The decal on one seat has a table with lots of data; the other looks like instructions. So what are they for, and why are they in such an odd location? I mean, to read them, the pilots would have to unbelt, lean forward, and turn 180. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2024, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/5380 "2024-01-28T02:09:24Z")
Not sure. Thought it might be for the crew behind them. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Strangelove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.strangelove/32/6613_2.png) [@Dr.Strangelove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Strangelove)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2024, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/5381 "2024-01-28T02:40:19Z")
No idea, but you can briefly see the decals here: [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/BSBncnp9zds/maxresdefault.jpg "Masters of the Air - Official Trailer #2 (2024) Austin Butler, Barry Keoghan") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSBncnp9zds&t=111) [![Imgur](https://i.imgur.com/IRVA0ec.png "imgur.com") ](https://imgur.com/IRVA0ec) Too small to read, though. It does seem like an odd location. ---
**Author:** ![mnemosyne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c4cdca/32.png) [@mnemosyne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mnemosyne)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2024, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/5382 "2024-01-28T04:06:33Z")
WAG - Airspeed and performance limitation charts? The position is a little odd, but given the real estate in such a cockpit this might be as conspicuous as they could get in placing this data. A lot of “standard” operations were probably memory items so a quick glance over the shoulder might be enough to confirm a value when needed? A hell of a lot easier than pulling out a literal manual and finding the right page. The modern-day analogous standard might be 14 CFR 25.1563 perhaps? > **[14 CFR § 25.1563 - Airspeed placard.](https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/14/25.1563)** [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499.md?page=268) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499.md?page=270)