# The Great Ongoing Aviation Thread (general and other) (Part 1)
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499
**Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share
**Created:** [October 23, 2011, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499 "2011-10-23T02:17:01Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
**Page:** 338
### Author:  [@Richard\_Pearse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Pearse)
#### Post date: [September 26, 2024, 6:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/6743 "2024-09-26T06:34:45Z")
Yes. Apparently, yes.
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### Author:  [@Spiderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiderman)
#### Post date: [September 27, 2024, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/6744 "2024-09-27T13:11:40Z")
Not a sight you see every day - [Traffic on the runway](https://www.flickr.com/photos/74663312@N08/54025140696), err, ummm parking lot at last weekend’s Adirondacks Balloon Festival at KGFL
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### Author:  [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)
#### Post date: [September 27, 2024, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/6745 "2024-09-27T21:52:51Z")
I see it every year. Military jets taking over runways. GA pilots taking off from taxiways. People in fields directing air traffic to follow railroad tracks stacking one plane above the other. It’s a madhouse I tells ya.
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### Author:  [@Dr.Strangelove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Strangelove)
#### Post date: [September 27, 2024, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/6746 "2024-09-27T22:06:52Z")
Festive runway activities always make me think of the [Gimli Glider](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gimli_Glider):
[ ](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/26/Air_Canada_Flight_143_after_emergency_landing.jpg)
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### Author:  [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)
#### Post date: [September 27, 2024, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/6747 "2024-09-27T23:54:48Z")
> [@Dr.Strangelove](#):
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> Festive runway activities always make me think of the [Gimli Glider](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gimli_Glider):
And why you should always carry an air horn while flying. Which reminds me of the person who converted a Helio Courier to a tricycle gear and turbine engine. An added item was a train horn. It made quite a statement when it flew over.
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### Author:  [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)
#### Post date: [September 30, 2024, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/6748 "2024-09-30T15:15:23Z")
> **[Volunteer Owner-Pilots Needed For Helene Relief](https://www.avweb.com/aviation-news/operation-airdrop-volunteer-pilots-needed/)**
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> Volunteers and donations are being sought by Operation Airdrop for hard-hit Tennessee and North Carolina communities.
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### Author:  [@Spiderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiderman)
#### Post date: [September 30, 2024, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/6749 "2024-09-30T17:24:27Z")
What a place to [crash](https://islandfreepress.org/outer-banks-news/wright-brothers-national-memorial-to-remain-closed-until-tuesday-after-plane-crash-that-killed-five/); sadly their last flight was where the first (fixed wing) flight took place. 5 killed by Wright Bros monument in Kill Devil Hill, NC when their Cirrus impacted trees off the side of the runway.
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### Author:  [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)
#### Post date: [September 30, 2024, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/6750 "2024-09-30T18:00:22Z")
Is there going to be controls for aircraft in the devasted Carolina flood area?
You’ll have military, state civilian, and as Johnny mentioned, volunteers all in the area.
I imagine some airport radars may be up and running on auxiliary power. Is there a procedure as to who is in charge?
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### Author:  [@ThisOneGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThisOneGuy)
#### Post date: [October 2, 2024, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/6751 "2024-10-02T00:00:02Z")
> [@smithsb](#):
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> I imagine some airport radars may be up and running on auxiliary power. Is there a procedure as to who is in charge?
From discussions on a pilot’s forum I read, lots of Temporary Flight Restrictions as FAA says who can go where. Looking now I only find this one:
[https://tfr.faa.gov/save\_pages/detail\_4\_3123.html](https://tfr.faa.gov/save_pages/detail_4_3123.html)
And then two big security TFRs for the presidential and vice presidential visits.
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### Author:  [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)
#### Post date: [October 2, 2024, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/6752 "2024-10-02T03:17:42Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#):
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> [https://www.avweb.com/aviation-news/operation-airdrop-volunteer-pilots-needed/](https://www.avweb.com/aviation-news/operation-airdrop-volunteer-pilots-needed/)
It sounds like a go around that added stress to the pilot.
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### Author:  [@Dr.Strangelove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Strangelove)
#### Post date: [October 2, 2024, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/6753 "2024-10-02T21:05:33Z")
Not the usual thing that causes your flight to be delayed:
> **[American WWII bomb explodes at Japanese airport, causing large crater in...](https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/02/travel/wwii-bomb-miyazaki-airport-japan-scli-intl/index.html)**
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> An unexploded American bomb from World War II that had been buried at a Japanese airport exploded Wednesday, causing a large crater in a taxiway and the cancellation of more than 80 flights but no injuries, Japanese officials said.
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### Author:  [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)
#### Post date: [October 2, 2024, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/6754 "2024-10-02T22:07:34Z")
That’s right up there with the USS Greeneville sinking the Ehime Maru…in 2001!
> **[Ehime Maru and USS Greeneville collision](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ehime_Maru_and_USS_Greeneville_collision)**
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> On 9 February 2001, about nine nautical miles (17 km; 10 mi) south of Oahu, Hawaii, in the Pacific Ocean, the United States Navy (USN) Los Angeles-class submarine USS Greeneville (SSN-772) collided with the Japanese fishery high-school training ship Ehime Maru (えひめ丸) from Ehime Prefecture. In a demonstration for some VIP civilian visitors, Greeneville performed an emergency ballast blow surfacing maneuver. As the submarine shot to the surface, she struck Ehime Maru. Within ten minutes of the c...
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### Author:  [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)
#### Post date: [October 3, 2024, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/6755 "2024-10-03T00:21:15Z")
Your response makes no sense in the context of the post you replied to.
Perhaps you meant to reply to a different post?
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### Author:  [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)
#### Post date: [October 3, 2024, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/6756 "2024-10-03T01:09:35Z")
The post he replied to is one by Spiderman which is a reference to:
> **[Wright Brothers National Memorial to remain closed until Tuesday after plane...](https://islandfreepress.org/outer-banks-news/wright-brothers-national-memorial-to-remain-closed-until-tuesday-after-plane-crash-that-killed-five/)**
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> From SamWalkerOBXNews.com Investigators with the National Transportation Safety Board spent Sunday afternoon making their initial observations of the scene at Wright Brothers National Memorial where a single-engine plane crashed, killing four adults...
which says:
> Online data shows the plane approached runway 21 from the northeast.
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> “The airplane made an initial approach and subsequent takeoff, where it remained in the pattern and made a second approach and landing attempt,” Enders said.
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> “During the second attempt, the aircraft made a left turn and impacted trees adjacent to the left side of the runway,” Enders said. “The impact resulted in a post-crash fire, and the five occupants sustained fatal injuries.”
thus Magiver’s reply makes sense.
However the post he quoted by Johnny\_L.A. has nothing to do with this: perhaps it was some previous reply which he never completed and remained a draft.
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### Author:  [@3AxisCtrl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/3AxisCtrl)
#### Post date: [October 3, 2024, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/6757 "2024-10-03T01:17:10Z")
> [@ThisOneGuy](#):
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> For single engine planes it [engine falling off] would almost always be immediately uncontrollable CG position. Believe it has happened in air racing.
I’ve been told that rules for some air racing classes include a requirement for the addition of a chain attached to engine and firewall. When the (often experimental) prop throws a blade, the imbalance instantly shakes the engine so badly that the engine mounts fail. The chain’s job is to keep the engine from departing - which would make the plane unflyable (CG too far aft). With the engine hanging from its chain, the CG is not too badly disturbed and the pilot can glide to a safe landing.
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### Author:  [@ThisOneGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThisOneGuy)
#### Post date: [October 3, 2024, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/6758 "2024-10-03T17:28:27Z")
> [@3AxisCtrl](#):
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> I’ve been told that rules for some air racing classes include a requirement for the addition of a chain attached to engine and firewall. When the (often experimental) prop throws a blade, the imbalance instantly shakes the engine so badly that the engine mounts fail. The chain’s job is to keep the engine from departing - which would make the plane unflyable (CG too far aft). With the engine hanging from its chain, the CG is not too badly disturbed and the pilot can glide to a safe landing.
Exactly what I was thinking of. The propellers were often cut down certificated props (made shorter to handle higher engine RPM). This changed the resonant frequencies of the blades causing them to fatigue off in a short time.
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### Author:  [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)
#### Post date: [October 4, 2024, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/6759 "2024-10-04T00:31:30Z")
Better be a very beefy chain. Or three.
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### Author:  [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)
#### Post date: [October 7, 2024, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/6760 "2024-10-07T19:46:03Z")
Yep, o once stood next to a RR merlín engine and that thing was HUGE…
… Like laying a full size fridge on its side - big
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### Author:  [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)
#### Post date: [October 7, 2024, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/6761 "2024-10-07T19:54:34Z")
But it does make a very impressive noise if you stand nearby.
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### Author:  [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)
#### Post date: [October 7, 2024, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/6762 "2024-10-07T19:56:55Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#):
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> But it does make a very impressive noise if you stand nearby.
Briefly. And then nothing makes any noise any longer.
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