### Author:  [@blondebear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blondebear)
#### Post date: [February 10, 2025, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/7323 "2025-02-10T22:31:32Z")
Philippine Mars heading out into SF Bay on her way to Arizona. Apparently they decided against a layover in San Diego, so this will be her last-ever flight.
[ ](https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/54319925939_8318b79dd3_h.jpg)
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### Author:  [@Spiderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiderman)
#### Post date: [February 11, 2025, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/7324 "2025-02-11T01:56:22Z")
Not a good month to fly a Lear jet -
“A Learjet 35A veered off the runway after landing and crashed into a Gulfstream 200 business jet on the ramp at Scottsdale Municipal Airport” ; one dead & two critical
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### Author:  [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)
#### Post date: [February 11, 2025, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/7325 "2025-02-11T03:50:54Z")
Early indication was a collapsed landing gear on one side.
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### Author:  [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)
#### Post date: [February 11, 2025, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/7326 "2025-02-11T04:09:29Z")
And a video:
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Owned by Vince Neil, a singer and the frontman of the rock band Mötley Crüe.
Can anyone estimate the speed?
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### Author:  [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)
#### Post date: [February 11, 2025, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/7327 "2025-02-11T04:25:47Z")
> [@PastTense](#):
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> Can anyone estimate the speed?
Roughly 35 miles per hour, give or take. It was traveling around 1 plane length per second, and plane length is 49 feet.
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### Author:  [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)
#### Post date: [February 11, 2025, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/7328 "2025-02-11T04:27:51Z")
I was thinking it wasn’t going all that fast, so why was it fatal?
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### Author:  [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)
#### Post date: [February 11, 2025, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/7329 "2025-02-11T04:38:11Z")
It looks like the impact was right on the Lear’s cockpit. Unlike cars, aircraft aren’t made to withstand collisions.
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### Author:  [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)
#### Post date: [February 11, 2025, 12:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/7330 "2025-02-11T12:40:29Z")
I like how the articles repeatedly say the collision happened “on the runway”. Despite them hitting an unoccupied shut down parked jet. Which you just don’t find “on runways”.
Ref fatalities, it looks like the G200’s wing was at the perfect height to be a guillotine slicing right into the Lear cockpit at windshield level. I doubt that hurt for long.
There are any number of runaway jet collisions that end with the cockpit of one embedded in the horizontal tail of another. Assuming airplanes of the same general size class, e.g. bizjet, RJ, narrowbody airliner, widebody, then the cockpits, horizontal tails, and outer wing sections are all at about the same height above the ground.
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### Author:  [@Spiderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiderman)
#### Post date: [February 11, 2025, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/7331 "2025-02-11T14:07:41Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#):
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> I like how the articles repeatedly say the collision happened “on the runway”. Despite them hitting an unoccupied shut down parked jet. Which you just don’t find “on runways”.
So why do we park in a driveway but drive on a parkway?
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### Author:  [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)
#### Post date: [February 11, 2025, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/7332 "2025-02-11T14:10:37Z")
Because the runway is full of wrecked jets. Silly question! 😉
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### Author:  [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)
#### Post date: [February 11, 2025, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/7333 "2025-02-11T15:07:32Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#):
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> Despite them hitting an unoccupied shut down parked jet. Which you just don’t find “on runways”.
The runway is not a reasonable place to park?
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### Author:  [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)
#### Post date: [February 11, 2025, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/7334 "2025-02-11T15:10:18Z")
**NO RUNNING IN THE PARKWAY!**
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### Author:  [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)
#### Post date: [February 11, 2025, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/7335 "2025-02-11T15:26:37Z")
Officer, I swear that parked car jet pulled out in front of me.
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### Author:  [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)
#### Post date: [February 11, 2025, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/7336 "2025-02-11T17:15:44Z")
The White Zone is for immediate loading and unloading of passengers only. There is no stopping in the Red Zone.
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### Author:  [@Spiderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiderman)
#### Post date: [February 11, 2025, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/7337 "2025-02-11T17:28:57Z")
Listen, Betty, don’t start up with your white zone shit again
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### Author:  [@Capn\_Carl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capn_Carl)
#### Post date: [February 11, 2025, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/7338 "2025-02-11T17:45:06Z")
I’m in Arizona. Do you know where in AZ the Mars is headed?
Edit: never mind. It landed on Lake Pleasant, not far from me. Maybe I’ll check it out.
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### Author:  [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)
#### Post date: [February 11, 2025, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/7339 "2025-02-11T17:49:57Z")
Going to the Pima Air & Space Museum in Tucson. Good article w lots of pix: **[WWII-era Philippine Mars flying boat makes stopover in Alameda: photos](https://www.msn.com/en-us/society-culture-and-history/history/wwii-era-philippine-mars-flying-boat-makes-stopover-in-alameda-photos/ar-AA1yLDuL)**.
Hmm; duelling ETAs.
Anyhow, I’m surprised to see it landed at Lake Pleasant. That’s a long way from Tucson. Lake Roosevelt seems a more likely choice. I hope the landing wasn’t precautionary due to some mechanical problem. Not that it greatly matters. That was its final flight and if they made it down in one piece, that’s still Mission: Accomplished.
If they were planning to disassemble and truck it from Lake Roosevelt, doing the same from Lake Pleasant isn’t _that_ much more difficult. Having to pass through at least the outskirts of metro Phoenix on the way can’t be convenient though.
The only decent body of water even closer than Lakes Pleasant and Roosevelt is the San Carlos reservoir, but that doesn’t seem to be well-serviced by roads.
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### Author:  [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)
#### Post date: [February 11, 2025, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/7340 "2025-02-11T18:11:54Z")
Cool plane. Sorry there are just two left.
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### Author:  [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)
#### Post date: [February 11, 2025, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/7341 "2025-02-11T20:52:35Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#):
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> The White Zone is for immediate loading and unloading of passengers only. There is no stopping in the Red Zone.
Listen, Elendil\_s\_Heir, don’t start up with your white zone shit again.
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### Author:  [@scabpicker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scabpicker)
#### Post date: [February 12, 2025, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/7342 "2025-02-12T03:00:23Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#):
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> Listen, Elendil\_s\_Heir, don’t start up with your white zone shit again.
Really, why pretend? We both know perfectly well what it is you’re talking about. You want me to have an abortion!
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