# The Great Ongoing Aviation Thread (general and other) (Part 1)
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499
**Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share
**Created:** [October 23, 2011, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499 "2011-10-23T02:17:01Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)
#### Post date: [February 12, 2025, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/7343 "2025-02-12T04:32:08Z")
For those who don’t know the red and white zone references, it’s from the movie Airplane!:
> **[Airplane! 1980 White zone - Red zone 🔴](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvYOTz5n6GI%2F)**
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> White zone - red zone argue. From uncut VHS version of Airplane (1980) movie.Thank you so much for visiting my channel ! Please subscribe and donate:ETH acc ...
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### Author:  [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)
#### Post date: [February 12, 2025, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/7344 "2025-02-12T04:56:00Z")
> [@PastTense](#):
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> For those who don’t know the red and white zone references, it’s from the movie Airplane!
And I was quoting _Fear And Loathing In Las Vegas_. 😉
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### Author:  [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)
#### Post date: [February 12, 2025, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/7345 "2025-02-12T05:11:21Z")
As your attorney, I advise you to have the cheeseburger.
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### Author:  [@WildaBeast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WildaBeast)
#### Post date: [February 12, 2025, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/7346 "2025-02-12T17:21:55Z")
Yes, I remember. I had lasagna.
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### Author:  [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)
#### Post date: [February 12, 2025, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/7347 "2025-02-12T18:01:12Z")
“I’ll have the fish.”
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### Author:  [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)
#### Post date: [February 12, 2025, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/7348 "2025-02-12T19:26:29Z")
“You’ll be swell, you’ll be great! Gonna have the whole world on a plate…!”
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### Author:  [@Spiderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiderman)
#### Post date: [February 12, 2025, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/7349 "2025-02-12T19:43:06Z")
We’ve got to get these people to a hospital
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### Author:  [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)
#### Post date: [February 12, 2025, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/7350 "2025-02-12T20:39:58Z")
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
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### Author:  [@Spiderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiderman)
#### Post date: [February 12, 2025, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/7351 "2025-02-12T21:30:23Z")
so very, very, _very_ disappointed in your response, **LSLGuy**! There was only _one_ appropriate thing to say, & it had nothing to do with guns or cannolis
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### Author:  [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)
#### Post date: [February 13, 2025, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/7352 "2025-02-13T01:08:37Z")
But that’s not important right now.
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### Author:  [@scabpicker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scabpicker)
#### Post date: [February 13, 2025, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/7353 "2025-02-13T04:35:20Z")
Surely, you can’t be serious.
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### Author:  [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)
#### Post date: [February 13, 2025, 7:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/7354 "2025-02-13T07:14:34Z")
Crew ejected, sent to hospital for observation, no indication of severe injuries. I imagine ejecting shakes things up internally. Aircraft crashed in the bay so no impact to the surrounding populace.
> **[EA-18G Growler Crashes Into San Diego Bay (Updated)](https://www.twz.com/air/fighter-jet-crashes-near-point-loma-in-san-diego)**
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> The electronic attack tactical jet crashed near Naval Air Station North Island, which is partially surrounded by San Diego Bay.
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### Author:  [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)
#### Post date: [February 13, 2025, 7:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/7355 "2025-02-13T07:23:40Z")
Great pictures of the aircraft, flight, landing of the:
> **[The Last Mars Flying Boat Just Made Its Final Flight](https://www.twz.com/air/the-last-mars-flying-boat-just-made-its-final-flight-marking-the-end-of-an-aviation-era)**
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> The vintage maritime patrol flying boat turned water bomber's final destination will be the Pima Air and Space Museum.
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### Author:  [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)
#### Post date: [February 13, 2025, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/7356 "2025-02-13T12:43:12Z")
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> …near Naval Air Station North Island, which is partially surrounded by San Diego Bay.
If it’s an island, doesn’t that mean it’s _entirely_ surrounded by water?
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### Author:  [@Bookkeeper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bookkeeper)
#### Post date: [February 13, 2025, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/7357 "2025-02-13T15:08:42Z")
There’s a long sand spit/peninsula that connects it to the mainland and forms the bay.
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### Author:  [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)
#### Post date: [February 13, 2025, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/7358 "2025-02-13T15:23:49Z")
> [@Bookkeeper](#):
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> connects it to the mainland
“North Peninsula” doesn’t roll of the tongue so well.
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### Author:  [@Pork\_Rind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pork_Rind)
#### Post date: [February 13, 2025, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/7359 "2025-02-13T15:42:32Z")
Plus NAS North Island itself is not the entire island. So if it’s the base they’re referring to, which is what I presume, it’s surrounded partially by water and partially by the civilian part of the island.
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### Author:  [@blondebear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blondebear)
#### Post date: [February 13, 2025, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/7360 "2025-02-13T15:57:26Z")
You can get a [great view](https://lajollamom.com/wp-content/w3-webp/uploads/2020/06/cabrillo-national-monument-view-from-trail.jpgw3.webp) of the Air Station (not to mention the rest of SD Bay) from Cabrillo National Monument.
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### Author:  [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)
#### Post date: [February 14, 2025, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/7361 "2025-02-14T15:34:35Z")
Hadn’t heard of this before:
> **[How the Airbus A321XLR is changing the air map of the world | CNN](https://www.cnn.com/travel/airbus-a321xlr-single-aisle-plane-transatlantic/index.html)**
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> The new Airbus A321XLR can fly further than any other single-aisle plane on the market. It promises to open up new, nonstop, transatlantic routes to cities in Europe and the United States.
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### Author:  [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)
#### Post date: [February 14, 2025, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/7362 "2025-02-14T16:33:01Z")
I just saw this reported on my local news.
> **[Boston athletes forced off flight from Denmark because of their wheelchairs](https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/boston-athletes-forced-off-flight-home-from-denmark-because-of-their-wheelchairs/3632487/)**
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> Two adaptive athletes from Boston are speaking out after what they describe as an uncomfortable experience on an international flight. Desi Forte and Marlee Robinson made it to Denmark with no issues. But they say on their return flight to Boston via...
In short, two women were asked to get off a flight from Denmark to the U.S. because of the weight of their wheelchairs.
A few of the things that were reported raised questions for me, although I’m not sure if they’re in the version I linked. They said there was something about the particular aircraft they were on that could not handle the weight of the chairs. Not sure if they meant the individual plane, or just the aircraft type.
The two women expressed surprise because they had flown to Denmark a few days earlier with no problems. Apparently someone from the airline said that shouldn’t have been allowed. Seems likely to me it was due to the winds; takes longer flying west, requires more fuel, less available payload.
The women use powered wheelchairs in their sport, and I assume when they’re travelling, too.
Are trans-Atlantic flights really operated so close to the limit of their capability that a couple hundred pounds (at a guess) is just beyond what the plane can handle?
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