# The Great Ongoing Aviation Thread (general and other) (Part 1)
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499
**Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share
**Created:** [October 23, 2011, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499 "2011-10-23T02:17:01Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)
#### Post date: [February 17, 2025, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/7383 "2025-02-17T18:05:24Z")
Hasn’t ATC been chronically understaffed? Wasn’t one of the causes of the Washington, DC crash that there was only one controller instead of two?
It seems counterproductive to fire Air Traffic Controllers.
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### Author:  [@N9IWP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N9IWP)
#### Post date: [February 17, 2025, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/7384 "2025-02-17T18:07:45Z")
Stumbled on the longer (~1 hour) video of this world record water rocket flight (~1 mile):
> **[World Record 2-Stage Water Rocket - 5,313 feet (1.62km)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCaiK3Zqs4M%2F)**
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> This is a highlights video of our Horizon high pressure 2 stage water rocket record flight to 5313 feet. This flight took place at Mullaley, NSW Australia on...
Brian
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### Author:  [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)
#### Post date: [February 17, 2025, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/7385 "2025-02-17T21:05:07Z")
Apparenty this pilot is from Australia and forgot which side is up.
> **[Delta Air Lines flight upside-down after crash leaves multiple injured at...](https://nypost.com/2025/02/17/world-news/delta-airlines-flight-upside-down-after-crash-at-toronto-pearson-international-airport/)**
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> A Delta Air Lines flight went belly-up after crashing at Toronto Pearson International Airport on Monday.
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### Author:  [@Spiderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiderman)
#### Post date: [February 17, 2025, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/7386 "2025-02-17T21:11:04Z")
Takeoff! Takeoff is when you go wheels up, **not** upon landing.
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### Author:  [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)
#### Post date: [February 17, 2025, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/7387 "2025-02-17T22:15:50Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#):
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> Hasn’t ATC been chronically understaffed? Wasn’t one of the causes of the Washington, DC crash that there was only one controller instead of two?
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> It seems counterproductive to fire Air Traffic Controllers.
they’re not firing air traffic controllers.
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### Author:  [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)
#### Post date: [February 17, 2025, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/7388 "2025-02-17T22:31:17Z")
Never mind
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### Author:  [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)
#### Post date: [February 17, 2025, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/7389 "2025-02-17T23:31:50Z")
VASA air traffic control messages for the Toronto crash:
> **[Plane UPSIDE DOWN after Crash | Delta Airlines at Toronto!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiUC8h4pkcs%2F)**
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> 17/FEB/2025Endeavor CRJ-900 performing flight from Minneapolis to Toronto crashed while landing on runway 23 and the aircraft ended up upside down and burnin...
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### Author:  [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)
#### Post date: [February 18, 2025, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/7390 "2025-02-18T04:07:46Z")
Here is a bit of video someone on the Delta Airlines plane shot while evacuating (AFAIK everyone on the plane survived):
- [https://old.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/1irwh9x/passenger\_on\_delta\_airlines\_films\_the\_moment\_they/](https://old.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/1irwh9x/passenger_on_delta_airlines_films_the_moment_they/)
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### Author:  [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)
#### Post date: [February 18, 2025, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/7391 "2025-02-18T05:16:59Z")
There is a specific thread now for that crash:
> [@Plane crash at Pearson Toronto](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plane-crash-at-pearson-toronto/1014439):
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> A Delta plane crashed on approach to Toronto Pearson airport. Landed upside down - belly up, on its roof. Will look for a link, but I’m making supper.
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### Author:  [@mnemosyne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mnemosyne)
#### Post date: [February 18, 2025, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/7392 "2025-02-18T17:06:31Z")
As fascinating as it is to see an inside video, _please never do this_! Just get out of the plane and get out of the way; a half second delay whole you load up the video app can mean the last person behind you, or the last crew member, doesn’t get out. This person couldn’t have known everyone would make it, and the plane was \*on fire". It worked out this time; next time, it might not.
Leave your bags, leave your phone, leave your passport. Just. Get. Out. Of. The. Burning. Aircraft.
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### Author:  [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)
#### Post date: [February 18, 2025, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/7393 "2025-02-18T21:42:41Z")
But ticktock needs to know!!!
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### Author:  [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)
#### Post date: [February 18, 2025, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/7394 "2025-02-18T23:39:27Z")
> [@mnemosyne](#):
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> leave your phone,
Phones have flashlights and are very useful in an emergency. Any phone loose on the floor is going with me.
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### Author:  [@mnemosyne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mnemosyne)
#### Post date: [February 19, 2025, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/7395 "2025-02-19T00:10:15Z")
It was daytime. The emergency lighting system should be on and is more than enough to see by under dark of night. The crew have flashlights at their stations.
In this hypothetical, you’d slow things down and possibly kill people.
But you do you I guess.
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### Author:  [@Dr.Strangelove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Strangelove)
#### Post date: [February 19, 2025, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/7396 "2025-02-19T00:43:06Z")
> [@mnemosyne](#):
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> As fascinating as it is to see an inside video, _please never do this_! Just get out of the plane and get out of the way; a half second delay whole you load up the video app can mean the last person behind you, or the last crew member, doesn’t get out.
Just eyeballing the footage, it looks very similar to how the video on my Meta Ray-Bans looks. They have a camera on the glasses themselves. The passenger may have been wearing them already (in fact may have _needed_ to be wearing them since they can have prescription lenses), and in any case, you can start video recording just by pressing a button on them (easily done even when hanging upside-down in a seat).
I’m not certain that’s what the passenger used, but the lens distortion and stabilization are very close, and I also have a hard time seeing how a passenger could crawl like that while holding a phone.
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### Author:  [@mnemosyne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mnemosyne)
#### Post date: [February 19, 2025, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/7397 "2025-02-19T00:47:48Z")
You may be right, perhaps I’ll give that a pass. It’s not technology I know anything about and I can’t imagine it’s very common.
But as a general rule? Get out of the burning plane!
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### Author:  [@Dr.Strangelove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Strangelove)
#### Post date: [February 19, 2025, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/7398 "2025-02-19T00:51:51Z")
Agreed with that on an individual level. Nevertheless–video like this must be extremely rare. Planes don’t typically have cabin cameras AFAIK. I think there’s value to the NTSB, etc. to see how things actually happen in a real evacuation situation. People reporting by memory only goes so far. In this case it looks like it was all smoothly handled despite the unusual situation.
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### Author:  [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)
#### Post date: [February 19, 2025, 5:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/7399 "2025-02-19T05:50:37Z")
> [@mnemosyne](#):
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> It was daytime. The emergency lighting system should be on and is more than enough to see by under dark of night. The crew have flashlights at their stations.
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> In this hypothetical, you’d slow things down and possibly kill people.
I withdraw my comment and agree with your leave-things-behind message.
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### Author:  [@Dr.Strangelove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Strangelove)
#### Post date: [February 19, 2025, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/7400 "2025-02-19T06:01:13Z")
> [@mnemosyne](#):
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> I can’t imagine it’s very common.
Meant to add: they’ve sold a couple million at this point. And there’s probably a high overlap between “people that fly a lot” and “people that can afford expensive digital glasses”. I’d expect pretty good odds that a typical planeload of people would have at least one passenger with them.
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### Author:  [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)
#### Post date: [February 19, 2025, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/7401 "2025-02-19T21:58:27Z")
Arizona midair collision. 2 dead.
> **[2 dead after 2 small planes collide midair in Arizona, officials say | CNN](https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/19/us/arizona-plane-crash-marana/index.html)**
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> At least two people are dead after two small aircraft collided in midair at an Arizona airport Wednesday, authorities said.
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### Author:  [@MikeF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MikeF)
#### Post date: [February 21, 2025, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/7402 "2025-02-21T01:25:13Z")
I read the account of someone who claimed to have been on board the Delta plane. He said that, once the plane stopped sliding, it was very quiet for a few moments. He and the guy next to him undid their seatbelts and were uninjured from the crash or the fall from the seats. While the flight attendants were helping some, it was mostly passengers assisting other passengers with the evacuation in a relatively calm manner. Given the ratio of passengers to FAs, this was not a critique of the FAs, just the way it was. He never saw the pilots during the evacuation or after. He description was very matter-of-fact. He did include that his seatmate tried to open the overhead (which was now underfoot) without success. That gave his account the ring of truth to me. BTW, if you are between me and an exit during an evacuation and stop to retrieve luggage or whatever, god help you.
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