# The Great Ongoing Aviation Thread (general and other) (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [October 23, 2011, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499 "2011-10-23T02:17:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 396
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2025, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/7903 "2025-05-25T17:20:06Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Quite a video: [KLM 747 extreme jet blast blowing people away at Maho Beach, St. Maarten, Jan. 2014](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqVjD3nBSQg) I’ve seen that video before or one similar. I noticed the siren just before takeoff and wondered if it was done by the airport to warn people. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2025, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/7904 "2025-05-25T17:34:10Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > These engines use the old cartridge starting system where a much overgrown shotgun shell is fired and the resulting burst of gas spins the engine up to starting RPM almost instantly. The audio is more interesting than the video. Holy crap. Great video LSL. Thanks. i didn’t know there was a flying version of it in assistance. I’ve never seen a cartridge start jet engine. I’ve seen a piston engine started and I have the cartridge used to start it. You can also see the finger speed brakes on the wings in the video. I wanted to see both since reading about the Canberra and B-57 version of it. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2025, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/7905 "2025-05-25T17:51:38Z")
The old B-52Ds had explosive cartridge start. The cart was about the size of a 1lb coffee can. I don’t know if the current B-52Hs still have it in addition to a more typical “huffer” external air cart or cross-bleed start. The whole point of the explosive cartridge start system is that there’s lots less spool-up time, and you can start as many engines simultaneously as you have hands to manipulate throttles / fuel levers and eyes to watch gauges. Which for a nuclear alert bomber (or fighter interceptor) was (is?) an important time saver. ---
**Author:** ![Spiderman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spiderman/32/230_2.png) [@Spiderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiderman)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2025, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/7906 "2025-05-26T19:19:01Z")
Listening to the radials overhead, pull out Flightaware to see [Doc](https://www.b29doc.com/) doing a flyby. The next engine I ran out on the front steps to see a P-51. Hmmm, maybe I’ll take a flight right over her house. How cool would that be! Look up their website, where the _cheap_ flights are over $3000. That’s just a _little_ more that I’m willing to spend on a whim. ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2025, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/7907 "2025-05-26T20:38:08Z")
Wait until Ticketmaster takes over the website billing. In other news, the old saying about any landing you can walk away from is a good one! How about swimming? [![](https://images.spot.im/image/upload/q_70,fl_lossy,dpr_3,h_100,w_79,c_scale/v200/90bb5a05-ff3c-4fe2-907c-abda20c52388) ](https://images.spot.im/image/upload/q_70,fl_lossy,dpr_3,h_100,w_79,c_scale/v200/90bb5a05-ff3c-4fe2-907c-abda20c52388) ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2025, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/7908 "2025-05-26T21:05:18Z")
> [@Spiderman](#): > > That’s just a _little_ more that I’m willing to spend on a whim. This year. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2025, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/7909 "2025-05-26T22:29:56Z")
> [@smithsb](#): > > In other news, the old saying about any landing you can walk away from is a good one! But the second half of the saying is a great landing is one where you can reuse the airplane. That might have been a good landing. Looks like it wasn’t a great one. Missed it by _that_ much. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2025, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/7910 "2025-05-26T22:31:03Z")
> [@smithsb](#): > > In other news, the old saying about any landing you can walk away from is a good one! > How about swimming? For sale, Floats, Bottoms kept out of water when not in use. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Strangelove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.strangelove/32/6613_2.png) [@Dr.Strangelove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Strangelove)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2025, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/7911 "2025-05-26T22:46:12Z")
With enough time and effort, you can reuse just about anything: > **[Mirage takes a dip!](https://www.key.aero/forum/modern-military-aviation/21308-mirage-takes-a-dip)** > > The following appeared in International air power review Volume 9 page 42, a great publication! Go out and buy it, I did! It has a huge article on the Mirage > In 1997, the Hellenic Air force contacted Dassault to recover Mirage 2000EG 210, which had crashed at low speed during a final approach. The aircraft was lying in 5 m (16 ft) of sea water, and it was felt that a rebuild could be attempted provided that corrosion had not set in. After three days in the sea, the Mirage was successfully brought to the surface and immediately washed with fresh water and Ardrox 6345 while still lying on the rescue barge. The airframe was taken to _terra firma_, where it was dismantled, and the largest components – fuselage and wings – were subsequently immersed in a purpose-built pool filled with water and Ardrox 6345, before being dried and covered with Ardrox 396-1E28. All these components were then stored while the experts assessed the feasibility of a rebuild. > > Eventually, the wings and fuselage were sent to France for a major rebuilding effort, and it is anticipated that the fighter will be brought back into service in mid-2003. A successful first flight was carried out by Dassault test pilot Eric Gerard at Tanagra in March 2003 (left). ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2025, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/7912 "2025-05-27T01:07:30Z")
Speaking of recoveries, I haven’t found an update since they tugged out of the sea at the runway end: > **[Navy raises crashed P-8A Poseidon aircraft from Hawaii’s Kaneohe Bay](https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2023/12/04/navy-raises-crashed-p-8a-poseidon-aircraft-from-hawaiis-kaneohe-bay/)** > > The plane overshot a runway on Nov. 20 and landed in the environmentally sensitive bay. No injuries were reported. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Strangelove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.strangelove/32/6613_2.png) [@Dr.Strangelove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Strangelove)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2025, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/7913 "2025-05-27T01:10:18Z")
I found that one also in my search for airplanes that have been submerged and recovered to flight condition. There are a few more that have been restored to museum condition, which is obviously not the same thing. A lot more rare when the aircraft flies again! We’ll have to see about that Poseidon. ---
**Author:** ![Pork\_Rind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pork_rind/32/111_2.png) [@Pork\_Rind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pork_Rind)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2025, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/7914 "2025-05-27T04:00:21Z")
Seems to me that naming an aircraft model ‘Poseidon’ is just asking for it. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2025, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/7915 "2025-05-27T14:19:51Z")
It’s a sub chaser but it’s supposed to be done from the air. ---
**Author:** ![Spiderman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spiderman/32/230_2.png) [@Spiderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiderman)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2025, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/7916 "2025-05-27T14:34:31Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > This year. Next year won’t be over the house anymore (she’s moving). Tell ya what, I’ll split the cost with you for this [weekend](https://www.etix.com/ticket/p/66305607/p51-gunfighterfridaymay-30-10-amflight--p51-gunfighter-hagerstownmd). Since this one isn’t over the house either, I’ll pay he $89.40 if you’ll pay the rest for the short ride. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2025, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/7917 "2025-05-27T16:56:18Z")
> [@Pork\_Rind](#): > > Seems to me that naming an aircraft model ‘Poseidon’ is just asking for it. > [@Magiver](#): > > It’s a sub chaser but it’s supposed to be done from the air. Hey, gotta give those Navy folks some credit. At least it was in the water right side up. 😉 Did better than the movie cruise ship or the pontoon Cessna upthread. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2025, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/7918 "2025-05-27T19:06:05Z")
> [@Pork\_Rind](#): > > Seems to me that naming an aircraft model ‘Poseidon’ is just asking for it. When _Challenger_ exploded on launch and crashed into the ocean, there were people who objected to ‘its replacement’ being named _Atlantis_. (Never mind that _Atlantis_ flew a year before the disaster.) ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2025, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/7919 "2025-05-28T18:36:56Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Heathrow’s boss apologised on Friday, admitting backup generators were never powerful enough to run the airport as mass cancellations ensued. Not the only thing about Heathrow’s boss: > Heathrow’s chief executive has expressed his “deep regret” at being uncontactable and sleeping through the power outage that upended the travel plans of 200,000 passengers earlier this year. > > Thomas Woldbye slept through two emergency notification calls and “several” phone calls from Heathrow’s chief operating officer, Javier Echave, in the early hours of the morning after [a fire at a nearby substation knocked out power supplies](https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/mar/21/counter-terror-police-investigating-unprecedented-fire-shut-heathrow) to the airport. > **[Heathrow boss sorry for sleeping through outage with phone on silent](https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/may/28/heathrow-ceo-thomas-woldbye-apologises-sleeping-power-outage)** > > Thomas Woldbye missed emergency notifications and phone calls after nearby fire led to airport being shut down ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2025, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/7920 "2025-05-28T20:43:46Z")
IOW … Always leave your phone switched off and in your parked car before getting in your GF’s car for the ride to the hotel. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2025, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/7921 "2025-05-28T22:49:30Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > Always leave your phone switched off and in your parked car before getting in your GF’s car for the ride to the hotel. Amateur. You give your GF the phone and set it on vibrate. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2025, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/7922 "2025-05-28T22:51:44Z")
> [@PastTense](#): > > [Heathrow boss sorry for sleeping through outage with phone on silent | Heathrow airport | The Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/may/28/heathrow-ceo-thomas-woldbye-apologises-sleeping-power-outage) I’m imagining 200,000 hand signed apologies similar to the scene in The Jerk. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499.md?page=395) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499.md?page=397)