# The Great Ongoing Aviation Thread (general and other) (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [October 23, 2011, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499 "2011-10-23T02:17:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 494
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2026, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/9863 "2026-05-19T01:46:23Z")
> **[UPDATE: Man arrested in connection to striking fire bomber in flight](https://www.northernnewsnow.com/2026/05/16/plane-struck-by-bullet-while-fighting-wildfire-near-orr/)** > > The St. Louis County Sheriff's office believes the plane was struck by a bullet after scooping water from Kjostad Lake. ‘PORTAGE TOWNSHIP, Minn. (Northern News Now) - A firefighting aircraft responding to a wildfire near Orr, Minnesota was struck by a bullet Thursday evening.’ ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2026, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/9864 "2026-05-19T02:01:34Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > I meant only that all these systems can kill a worker easily if something is overlooked and then luck runs short. Procedures rigorously followed minimize that. Attention to detail is Job One. Ahhh. Should have caught that. Yep, you get away with it…until. And people at work (nice safe IT job) wonder why I get upset when simple things are missed because “Oh, I forgot about that”. If I have a legacy at this job it will be the checklists I created and the review/change control meetings I led that are now considered SOP. And, you know what, I can live with that! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2026, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/9865 "2026-05-19T03:59:11Z")
> [@Zakalwe](#): > > And people at work (nice safe IT job) wonder why I get upset when simple things are missed because “Oh, I forgot about that”. If I have a legacy at this job it will be the checklists I created and the review/change control meetings I led that are now considered SOP. I bristle a little bit when people describe a business meeting as “all hands on deck”. I’ve heard that phrase used in earnest; nothing at a business is that important. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2026, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/9866 "2026-05-19T20:45:12Z")
> [@Capn\_Carl](#): > > …A docent took us on an awesome tour of their restoration hangar. They were finishing restoration of a Brewster-made Corsair rescued from a Florida swamp. It’s the only flyable Corsair made by Brewster… Very cool! I’ve loved Corsairs ever since I watched _Baa Baa Black Sheep_ on TV as a kid: [Vought F4U Corsair - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vought_F4U_Corsair) ---
**Author:** ![Spiderman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spiderman/32/230_2.png) [@Spiderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiderman)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2026, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/9867 "2026-05-20T21:22:19Z")
Here’s one you don’t hear of everyday: LGA runway 4/22 was closed this morning for [sinkhole](https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/laguardia-airport-runway-sinkhole/) repair. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2026, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/9868 "2026-05-20T22:22:35Z")
Ouch! OTOH … The whole damned place is built on fill atop wetlands. It’s one continuous ongoing sinkhole from asshole to elbow. ---
**Author:** ![N9IWP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/n9iwp/32/3154_2.png) [@N9IWP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N9IWP)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2026, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/9869 "2026-05-21T00:03:45Z")
Guy who shot water bomber claims he was hunting crows (which is legal while in season – but unfortunately for him it isn’t crow hunting season) > **[‘If I accidentally hit him crow hunting, too bad’: Man charged with shooting...](https://www.northernnewsnow.com/2026/05/20/if-i-accidentally-hit-him-crow-hunting-too-bad-man-charged-with-shooting-firefighting-aircraft-near-orr/)** > > He told authorities he thought the fire bomber wasn’t following FAA regulations and was too close to his home, adding that he probably fired more than five times. Brian ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2026, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/9870 "2026-05-21T01:33:56Z")
The mugshot certainly suggests a fine upstanding and discerning firearm safety-conscious citizen. Multiple rifle rounds while hunting crows? You need to be a Hollywood hero-level good shot to hit a flying crow with a rifle. And if shooting at crows perched stationary above, you might want to be aware of passing airplanes in the background. IOW, every word is self-serving BS. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2026, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/9871 "2026-05-21T03:22:54Z")
> Pettit said he was crow hunting on Friday. He told authorities he thought the fire bomber wasn’t following FAA regulations and was too close to his home, adding that he probably fired more than _five_ times. It’s stuff like this that drives defense lawyers insane. “Too bad,” is the cherry on top. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2026, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/9872 "2026-05-21T15:09:20Z")
I’m not suggesting this fellow is a SovCit. At least not without further evidence. But the similarity between him and SovCits is that his thought process is “_Of course_ whatever I feel like doing is totally justified. Otherwise I wouldn’t have thought to do it.” ---
**Author:** ![WildaBeast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wildabeast/32/6_2.png) [@WildaBeast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WildaBeast)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2026, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/9873 "2026-05-21T16:07:29Z")
> He told authorities he thought the fire bomber wasn’t following FAA regulations Because not following FAA regulations totally justifies shooting at them. ---
**Author:** ![duality72](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duality72/32/3910_2.png) [@duality72](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duality72)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2026, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/9874 "2026-05-21T17:05:53Z")
Well if it was Florida, he’d just be standing his ground. ---
**Author:** ![Spiderman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spiderman/32/230_2.png) [@Spiderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiderman)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2026, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/9875 "2026-05-21T17:41:34Z")
> [@WildaBeast](#): > > Because not following FAA regulations totally justifies shooting at them. Why does he need to follow FAA regulations if he’s standing on the ground & not going flying? 🤪 Oh look, a door to let myself out ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2026, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/9876 "2026-05-21T23:52:06Z")
For those of you under the mistaken impression that the legal situation regarding the French AF447 crash in 2009 where 228 people died must have been resolved many years ago: > **[Air France and Airbus found guilty of manslaughter over 2009 plane crash](https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/czd2qmdvmq6o)** > > The companies were found guilty by a French court over an air disaster which killed 228 people. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2026, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/9877 "2026-05-22T02:15:06Z")
NTSB has turned off public web access to the aviation accident database. If you search up an accident report, when you go to click on it to retrieve it or if you try to navigate to the docket page you get an error page instead. It says: > [@NTSB Carol Database](#): > > ​​The NTSB is aware that advances in image recognition and computational methods have enabled individuals to reconstruct approximations of cockpit voice recorder audio from sound spectrum imagery released as part of NTSB investigations, including the ongoing investigation of the crash last year of UPS flight 2976 in Louisville, Kentucky. > > The NTSB does not release cockpit audio recordings. Federal law prohibits such public release due to the highly sensitive nature of verbal communications inside the cockpit. The NTSB takes these privacy restrictions seriously. > > The NTSB docket system is temporarily unavailable as we examine the scope of the issue and evaluate solutions. We hope to restore access to the docket system as soon as possible.​​​ Oops. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2026, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/9878 "2026-05-22T03:15:12Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > NTSB has turned off public web access to the aviation accident database. My mom worked at Gibbs Flying Service at MFY when I was a kid. I remember the loss of [‘Shaky Jake’, N6228T](https://www.ntsb.gov/Pages/brief.aspx?ev_id=65355&key=0). As linked, the report is available. ETA: ‘Shaky Jake’ was a 1964 (?) Cessna 150. It would have only been eight years old at the time of the crash. That was ‘old’ at the time. Nowadays, most General Aviation aircraft are 50 or 60 years old. ---
**Author:** ![commasense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/commasense/32/3017_2.png) [@commasense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/commasense)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2026, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/9879 "2026-05-22T04:33:32Z")
> [@NTSB Carol Database](#): > > reconstruct approximations of cockpit voice recorder audio from sound spectrum imagery What does this mean? ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2026, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/9880 "2026-05-22T05:12:04Z")
Lip reading. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2026, 6:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/9881 "2026-05-22T06:29:29Z")
> [@N9IWP](#): > > Guy who shot water bomber claims he was hunting crows (which is legal while in season – but unfortunately for him it isn’t crow hunting season) I would think there’s legal reason to believe he represents a clear-and-present-danger to society. I think bail was set too low but IANAL. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2026, 11:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/9882 "2026-05-22T11:20:52Z")
Do accident reports sometimes include sonographs (like in the Merlin bird call identification app), to show things like engine noise, alarms, or flap retractions? I’d think this sort of info is better retrieved from the FDR, but it does seem to be what they’re referring to. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499.md?page=493) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499.md?page=495)