# The Great Ongoing Aviation Thread (general and other) (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [October 23, 2011, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499 "2011-10-23T02:17:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 60
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2018, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/1181 "2018-03-14T20:18:39Z")
Anyone for a T-shirt with the outline of your favorite airplane, and your home state and its flag?: [http://www.sportys.com/wrightbros/north-carolina-state-with-airplane-t-shirts.html](http://www.sportys.com/wrightbros/north-carolina-state-with-airplane-t-shirts.html) ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2018, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/1182 "2018-03-17T17:28:37Z")
In one thread or another, there was something about wooden airplanes such as Bellancas. I mentioned once reading an article on Bellancas entitled _You Can Trust A Tree_. It turns out I misremembered. [Here is a photo of the article](https://imgur.com/a/phiaM). The aircraft was actually the [Jeffair Barracuda](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffair_Barracuda). ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2018, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/1183 "2018-05-02T14:50:08Z")
Here’s CNN Money on Qantas retiring its six 747s earlier than expected, and a nice short film on “the new Golden Age of Aviation”: [Qantas will retire its Boeing 747 fleet earlier than planned](http://money.cnn.com/2018/05/02/news/companies/boeing-747-qantas-fleet/index.html) ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2018, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/1184 "2018-05-02T18:15:52Z")
_Flying_ writer and editor-in-chief, _AOPA Pilot_ publisher and editor-in-chief, and author, [Richard Collins](https://www.aopa.org/news-and-media/all-news/2018/april/30/richard-l-collins-remembered), has died at the age of 84. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2018, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/1185 "2018-05-16T14:32:19Z")
Old 747s are finding new careers as cargo planes: [MSN](http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/boeing-747s-are-back-from-the-dead/ar-AAxlJMs?ocid=ientp) ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2018, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/1186 "2018-05-16T14:37:29Z")
The majority of freighters are actually converted airliners, not purpose-built. The low capital cost for equipment that has no more value in the passenger market more than makes up for the conversion cost. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Pearse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/richard_pearse/32/13144_2.png) [@Richard\_Pearse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Pearse)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2018, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/1187 "2018-05-16T22:22:50Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > I’m curious about the picture. > (1) Does an attitude indicator EVER actually look like that? > (2) What attitude do you think the is picture “trying” to show? > > [spoiler]I think it’s supposed to show an airplane in a steep descending spiral dive. It took me a few days for it to occur to me that the airplane is also inverted. That leads me to my final question . . ./spoiler If an airplane is really in an inverted steep spiral dive, what would the attitude indicator _really_ look like? It is rolled almost inverted to the left and the nose is about 6º up, not down (the nose is represented by the little yellow dot between the yellow lines). It would look like that during a roll. Any aerobatic plane would see attitudes like that but they don’t always have an attitude indicator. When we do our 6 monthly simulator checks we practice unusual attitude recovery and sometimes see attitudes like that, and often much worse. If it was in a steep inverted spiral dive the display would be mainly brown (ground) so that the yellow dot of the nose was on say the 50º line in the brown section. I’m not sure about little GA AIs like the one in the picture, but on an airliner there will _always_ be some sky shown so you can easily see the quickest way to straight and level flight. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Pearse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/richard_pearse/32/13144_2.png) [@Richard\_Pearse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Pearse)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2018, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/1188 "2018-05-16T22:27:14Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > The majority of freighters are actually converted airliners, not purpose-built. The low capital cost for equipment that has no more value in the passenger market more than makes up for the conversion cost. Yes, which makes me a little sceptical when discussing pilotless aircraft and people suggest they would first be used in the freight market. Sure it would make sense to use them without passengers until the public get used to the idea, but freight companies aren’t well known for purchasing brand new aircraft with the latest technology, normally the opposite. ---
**Author:** ![GusNSpot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gusnspot/32/436_2.png) [@GusNSpot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GusNSpot)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2018, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/1189 "2018-05-22T23:38:40Z")
> [@Richard\_Pearse](#): > > It is rolled almost inverted to the left and the nose is about 6º up, not down (the nose is represented by the little yellow dot between the yellow lines). It would look like that during a roll. Any aerobatic plane would see attitudes like that but they don’t always have an attitude indicator. When we do our 6 monthly simulator checks we practice unusual attitude recovery and sometimes see attitudes like that, and often much worse. > > If it was in a steep inverted spiral dive the display would be mainly brown (ground) so that the yellow dot of the nose was on say the 50º line in the brown section. I’m not sure about little GA AIs like the one in the picture, but on an airliner there will _always_ be some sky shown so you can easily see the quickest way to straight and level flight. Should be scary. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2018, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/1190 "2018-05-23T02:25:14Z")
F-35 fighter jets get their first taste of combat, flying with the Israeli Air Force: [https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/22/politics/f-35-fighter-jet-combat-israel/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/22/politics/f-35-fighter-jet-combat-israel/index.html) ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2018, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/1191 "2018-06-02T14:06:23Z")
[Emergency landing in Huntington Beach, CA](https://www.ocregister.com/2018/06/01/small-plane-makes-emergency-landing-in-huntington-beach-neighborhood-no-one-injured/). The plane is a 2014 Cessna 172 Skyhawk. Dashcam footage [here](http://www.bbc.com/news/video_and_audio/headlines/44342250/plane-makes-emergency-landing-on-busy-los-angeles-road). ---
**Author:** ![GusNSpot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gusnspot/32/436_2.png) [@GusNSpot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GusNSpot)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2018, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/1192 "2018-06-04T16:51:40Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > [Emergency landing in Huntington Beach, CA](https://www.ocregister.com/2018/06/01/small-plane-makes-emergency-landing-in-huntington-beach-neighborhood-no-one-injured/). The plane is a 2014 Cessna 172 Skyhawk. > > Dashcam footage [here](http://www.bbc.com/news/video_and_audio/headlines/44342250/plane-makes-emergency-landing-on-busy-los-angeles-road). Engine was still at idle after she stopped. Great flying. Really wonder what the emergency was and if it was tested. Don’t think it was a PVT student but a pilot working on and advanced license. Could/probably still considered a student. I was always learning my entire flying life… I go Hummmmmmmmmmmmmm about this. 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2018, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/1193 "2018-06-04T22:00:28Z")
Never mind the cars, just look at all the overhead wires on either side! ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2018, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/1194 "2018-06-08T14:00:59Z")
Are windowless planes the future of travel? I doubt it: [https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/emirates-windowless-planes/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/emirates-windowless-planes/index.html) ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2018, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/1195 "2018-06-08T14:03:08Z")
> [@GusNSpot](#): > > Engine was still at idle after she stopped. > Great flying. > Really wonder what the emergency was and if it was tested. Student pilot, may have pulled the mixture instead of the throttle. Just a guess. ---
**Author:** ![GusNSpot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gusnspot/32/436_2.png) [@GusNSpot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GusNSpot)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2018, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/1196 "2018-06-09T01:09:38Z")
Well, if it was an old C-175, I might bet it was a mixture knob confusion. I am very glad they did not do that in any ongoing way. I had nuff troubles in a Baron. Never got to fly one but once and I was real careful about actually looking at the knobs I was putting my hands on. Bawahahaha She did a good job for a student with the actual arrival. Nay new on if it was flown out or dissembled?? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2018, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/1197 "2018-06-19T15:22:09Z")
[Pilot from midair colision over the Susitna River laid to rest in cockpit of dream plane](http://www.ktuu.com/content/news/Pilot-from-mid-air-colision-over-the-Susitna-River-laid-to-rest-in-cockpit-of-his-dream-plane-485887741.html) Personally, a Cherokee 180 wouldn’t be my choice. But then, my primary ‘dream plane’ is a particular 172K so he may have had reasons for liking the Cherokee so much. ---
**Author:** ![N9IWP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/n9iwp/32/3154_2.png) [@N9IWP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N9IWP)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2018, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/1198 "2018-06-20T20:37:35Z")
Recently a plane flew overhead towards LSE (La Crosse, WI). It looked like it could be a Beech Starship, but checking flight aware it was a [Piaggio P 180](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piaggio_P.180_Avanti) Still an unusual looking plane. Brian ---
**Author:** ![GusNSpot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gusnspot/32/436_2.png) [@GusNSpot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GusNSpot)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2018, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/1199 "2018-06-21T02:38:30Z")
Aren’t they pretty quick also? ---
**Author:** ![N9IWP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/n9iwp/32/3154_2.png) [@N9IWP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N9IWP)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2018, 10:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/1200 "2018-06-21T10:49:42Z")
> [@GusNSpot](#): > > Aren’t they pretty quick also? It was coming in for a landing, so the plane was not going very fast. Brian [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499.md?page=59) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499.md?page=61)