# The Great Ongoing Aviation Thread (general and other) (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [October 23, 2011, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499 "2011-10-23T02:17:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 4987
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2024, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499/4987 "2024-01-02T15:52:04Z")
It’s not clear these passengers didn’t grab their luggage at about the same rate as on any other accident. They might be better behaved, but somehow I doubt it was much different. Dedicated thread already started here although I don’t know how much legs it’ll have beyond a bunch of breathless “Oh my gosh; glad they’re safe” comments: > [@Airbus crash in Japan - passengers and crew safe \[Jan 2, 2024\]](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/airbus-crash-in-japan-passengers-and-crew-safe-jan-2-2024/995500): > > From the limited videos available it appears the Airbus landed on top of a Japanese Coast Guard plane and burst into flames. Looking at the burning hulk, it’s amazing to me that every passenger and crew member evacuated successfully. [https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/fire-breaks-out-plane-runway-japans-tokyo-haneda-airport-nhk-2024-01-02/](https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/fire-breaks-out-plane-runway-japans-tokyo-haneda-airport-nhk-2024-01-02/) Land-on-top accidents aren’t that rare as accidents go. Here’s a famous US one I recall: > **[Los Angeles runway disaster](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_runway_disaster)** > > On the evening of February 1, 1991, USAir Flight 1493, a Boeing 737-300, collided with SkyWest Airlines Flight 5569, a Fairchild Swearingen Metroliner turboprop aircraft, upon landing at Los Angeles International Airport (LAX). Though air traffic was not heavy at LAX, as Flight 1493 was on final approach, the local controller was distracted by a series of abnormalities, including a misplaced flight progress strip and an aircraft that had inadvertently switched off the tower frequency. The S Upo... One of the procedural changes made in the USA after that was to prohibit controllers from positioning an airplane on the runway ready for, but not cleared for, takeoff during hours of darkness. The intent is to make it easier for the controller to see a forgotten plane sitting there and for any landing plane to see it easily as well. They also added a procedure that during the day when clearing somebody to hold on the runway, to explicitly state why or what you’re waiting for and about how long to expect. Intending to enlist the crew in watching for the appropriate events or passage of time and raise a question if they’re still sitting there much after that. --- _[View the full topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499)._