# The Great Ongoing Aviation Thread (general and other) (Part 1)

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**Created:** [October 23, 2011, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-1/600499 "2011-10-23T02:17:01Z")\
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> **[NTSB describes final moments of flight that killed missionary father and...](https://apnews.com/article/plane-crash-ntsb-hurricane-missionaries-ignite-fire-ddb7eff0b32d7d1e7cc6c627022cd8c0)**
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> The National Transportation Safety Board described the fatal Nov. 10 flight that killed a Christian missionary father and his daughter in its preliminary report.

Preliminary report is at:

[https://data.ntsb.gov/carol-repgen/api/Aviation/ReportMain/GenerateNewestReport/201981/pdf](https://data.ntsb.gov/carol-repgen/api/Aviation/ReportMain/GenerateNewestReport/201981/pdf)

Note:

> A few seconds later, the controller instructed the pilot to continue the turn to a 120° heading, but by this time the airplane had already descended to about 3,100 ft. With no response from the pilot, the controller transmitted, “November zero hotel golf, climbing?” **Heavy breathing and “grunting” sounds could then be heard** , and by that time the airplane had descended to about 1,500 ft and reached an airspeed of about 270 kts. The last ADS-B target was recorded a few seconds later, about 200 ft west and 350 ft above the impact location.

This sounds like it could this be a medical emergency: heart attack, stroke, pulmonary embolism, or aortic dissection, etc.

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