# The Great Ongoing Aviation Thread (general and other) (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [June 14, 2026, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-2/1030892 "2026-06-14T14:38:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2026, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-2/1030892/241 "2026-08-13T02:21:01Z")
On a non-predictive note. Do Airlines carry Narcan? ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2026, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-2/1030892/242 "2026-08-13T05:58:56Z")
Been almost 3 years since I retired. (Wow!) But as of then, my carrier did not. So there’s one stale-ish data point. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2026, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-2/1030892/243 "2026-08-14T15:56:49Z")
> **[A jet engine fan blade cut into a plane and caused a passenger to be...](https://www.cnn.com/2026/08/13/europe/ntsb-ryanair-prelim-report)** > > A jet engine fan blade on a Boeing 737 broke free and slammed into the side of the passenger cabin, breaking a window and leading to a man being partially sucked outside the aircraft, the National Transportation Safety Board said in a preliminary... NTSB Preliminary report official document at: > **[DCA26FA274%20Prelim.pdf](https://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/Documents/DCA26FA274%20Prelim.pdf)** > > 8.75 MB So same cause as 2018 Southwest Flight 1380 where a woman was sucked out and died? ---
**Author:** ![Spiderman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spiderman/32/230_2.png) [@Spiderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiderman)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2026, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-2/1030892/244 "2026-08-14T23:00:44Z")
I keep forgetting to post this but as of last month there’s a new YouTube channel, none other than the legendary [Kennedy Steve](https://www.youtube.com/@KennedySteve_ATC) - a now-retired, & hilarious, ATC from JFK ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2026, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-2/1030892/245 "2026-08-14T23:17:43Z")
Same cause, yes. To clarify, the Ryanair incident cited by PastTense occurred this past July 10. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_stainless_steel_rat/32/5727_2.png) [@The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Stainless_Steel_Rat)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2026, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-2/1030892/246 "2026-08-15T03:06:25Z")
I just added his site to my You Tube list…looking forward to it. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2026, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-2/1030892/247 "2026-08-16T01:41:32Z")
> [@Spiderman](#): > > I keep forgetting to post this but as of last month there’s a new YouTube channel, none other than the legendary [Kennedy Steve](https://www.youtube.com/@KennedySteve_ATC) - a now-retired, & hilarious, ATC from JFK A great site to visit. I clicked on Pilot AND Controller React to United 109’s Philly ATC Meltdown. It made me laugh because my 1st encounter with a tower on my first cross country resulted in ATC yelling at me for entering their airspace without permission. It scared the crap out of me. But I had actually contacted ATC earlier and was following their instructions to report 10 miles out. I was flying so slow he forgot I existed. I thought I flew into a TFR (Temporary Flight Restriction) area on my first flight as a newly minted pilot. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2026, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-2/1030892/248 "2026-08-16T19:27:09Z")
This incident looked quite impressive, but thankfully no casualties besides damage to a 10-year-old 787. [https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/vietnam-airlines-boeing-787-returned-munich-after-takeoff-incident-flightradar24-2026-08-16/](https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/vietnam-airlines-boeing-787-returned-munich-after-takeoff-incident-flightradar24-2026-08-16/) > **[Runway excursion Accident Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner VN-A867, Saturday 15 August...](https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/576944)** > > Vietnam Airlines flight VN34,A Boeing 787-9,registered VN-A867, was involved in an incident at Munich Airport (MUC). Video footage and ADS-B data indicate that the aircraft made a full le... Takeoff video: [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/XAr9hic1fY8/maxresdefault.jpg "Vietnam Airlines Boeing 787-9 – Takeoff Runway Overrun ✈️") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAr9hic1fY8) May be a tailstrike in there, but hard to tell from the huge clouds of dust kicked up by the engines at that extreme AoA. Landing was exciting. Main gear tires came apart energetically, from heavy landing weight (the plane orbited for two hours to burn off enough fuel to land at all, and it was probably still quite heavy) and maybe tire damage from the initial overrun. https://embed.reddit.com/r/aviation/comments/1vp7slu/vietnam_airlines_vna867_damage_following/?embed=true&ref_source=embed&ref=share I’m looking forward to a thorough investigation on how this got this way. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2026, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-2/1030892/249 "2026-08-16T19:38:51Z")
> [@gnoitall](#): > > May be a tailstrike in there, but hard to tell from the huge clouds of dust kicked up by the engines at that extreme AoA. Oof… Just as a layman passenger halfway through I would have had bells ringing in my head to the effect of “umm… rotate any time now, Cap!!!”. Someone typed in some wrong numbers in preflight, is my guess. 😬 ---
**Author:** ![Tride](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tride/32/13907_2.png) [@Tride](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tride)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2026, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-2/1030892/250 "2026-08-16T19:45:25Z")
I dunno–this seems like a pretty egregious mistake. Aren’t you supposed to have enough runway to abort at rotation speed? Jesus. Very expensive and almost tragic mistakes were made. ---
**Author:** ![Pork\_Rind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pork_rind/32/111_2.png) [@Pork\_Rind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pork_Rind)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2026, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-2/1030892/251 "2026-08-17T02:29:34Z")
> [@Tride](#): > > Aren’t you supposed to have enough runway to abort at rotation speed? Not necessarily. The board pros will be along soon, but your rotation speed can most certainly be after V1, the last speed at which you can reject. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2026, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-2/1030892/252 "2026-08-17T04:52:38Z")
Yep. Max abort speed, by design, is always \<= rotate speed. And the equals case is very rare. No time for more. catch up later. ---
**Author:** ![Llama\_Llogophile](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@Llama\_Llogophile](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Llama_Llogophile)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2026, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-2/1030892/253 "2026-08-17T13:29:44Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > Yep. Max abort speed, by design, is always \<= rotate speed. And the equals case is very rare. I’ll briefly pick up the baton here to explain “balanced field length”, which means the accelerate-stop distance is equal to accelerate-go. IOW, it takes the same amount of space to have an engine failure at V1 and either continue the takeoff and meet performance expectations, OR reject the takeoff and stop on the remaining runway. Most operations are required to achieve at least a balanced field length for the given conditions. But usually, there’s more runway than necessary, which means you then have more stopping distance in the event of an abort. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2026, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-2/1030892/254 "2026-08-20T15:42:29Z")
Here’s an article on the Vietnam airlines crunch at Munich last week. Should be free for a week from now, then paywalled: > **[BFU Confirms Initial Details In Vietnam Airlines Accident | Aviation Week](https://aviationweek.com/air-transport/safety-ops-regulation/bfu-confirms-initial-details-vietnam-airlines-accident)** > > BFU confirms Vietnam Airlines Boeing 787-9 suffered a tail strike during takeoff at Munich, causing damage and requiring fuel dumping before landing. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2026, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-2/1030892/255 "2026-08-20T19:07:42Z")
Internet speculation I’ve read is around some of the brakes activating during the takeoff roll (for whatever reason) ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2026, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-2/1030892/256 "2026-08-20T19:21:50Z")
Shredding the landing gear tires on the end-of-runway lighting would definitely explain why those disintegrated so completely at touchdown. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2026, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-2/1030892/257 "2026-08-21T00:21:01Z")
Small plane landing hits police helicopter hovering. > **[Investigators probe a dramatic midair crash as a landing plane hits hovering...](https://apnews.com/article/helicopter-pennsylvania-police-crash-plane-probe-50ed96d65250a94e7ea3f21e7626c033)** > > Investigators are trying to understand why a small plane crashed into a hovering Pennsylvania State Police helicopter. ---
**Author:** ![Common\_Tater](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/common_tater/32/13846_2.png) [@Common\_Tater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Common_Tater)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2026, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-2/1030892/258 "2026-08-21T00:26:25Z")
Helicopter crew is really lucky they weren’t shredded. From what I’ve read only the pilot of the plane was killed. ---
**Author:** ![Spiderman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spiderman/32/230_2.png) [@Spiderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiderman)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2026, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-2/1030892/259 "2026-08-21T00:58:59Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > Small plane landing hits police helicopter hovering Ninjaed me, but [here](https://www.timesnownews.com/world/us/us-news/carlisle-plane-crash-video-shows-pennsylvania-state-police-helicopter-crashes-into-small-plane-article-155920752) us CCTV footage of the collision ---
**Author:** ![MonkeysBrother](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/3ab097/32.png) [@MonkeysBrother](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MonkeysBrother)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2026, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-2/1030892/260 "2026-08-21T01:07:26Z")
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