# The Great Ongoing Aviation Thread (general and other) (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [June 14, 2026, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-2/1030892 "2026-06-14T14:38:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2026, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-2/1030892/261 "2026-08-21T02:21:55Z")
Not from the angle we’re seeing it from. It looks like the plane was flying across the runway, not taking off or landing. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2026, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-2/1030892/262 "2026-08-21T05:09:52Z")
A doctor flying Cessna 150 sounds like someone learning to fly. He could have been climbing out to the right on a touch and go and flying a right hand pattern to avoid flying over the trailer park. Note it’s a left hand pattern airport. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2026, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-2/1030892/263 "2026-08-21T13:42:13Z")
> This cause of the crash is not yet known. It was foggy at the landing strip around the time of the crash, according to observations from the National Weather Service. Just before noon the poor visibility was reported at less than 800 feet… > > The gravel runway is nearly 4,000 feet long and is located on the slope of a more-than-2,300-foot-high mountain, according to [FAA maps](https://aeronav.faa.gov/d-tpp/2608/02235R15.PDF). There is high terrain reported on both sides and at the south end of the runway, which can make aborting a landing “improbable” after a certain point. > **[Charter plane crashes near remote Alaska radar site, killing all 8 on board |...](https://www.cnn.com/2026/08/20/us/alaska-charter-plane-crash-hnk)** > > A charter plane crashed near a remote radar site in western Alaska, killing all 8 people on board, federal aviation and military officials said. ---
**Author:** ![Spiderman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spiderman/32/230_2.png) [@Spiderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiderman)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2026, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-2/1030892/264 "2026-08-21T14:11:38Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > A doctor flying Cessna 150 sounds like someone learning to fly Wrong, try again > [@PennLive article](#): > > Sokoloski has been a commercial pilot since 2010 and received a flight instructor certificate in February, according to the Federal Aviation Administration website ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2026, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-2/1030892/265 "2026-08-22T01:19:27Z")
> [@Spiderman](#): > > Wrong, try again OK, a flight instructor using the plane he instructs in to knock out a quick 3 to keep up on landings. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2026, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-2/1030892/266 "2026-08-23T04:52:15Z")
> [@PastTense](#): > > [https://www.cnn.com/2026/08/20/us/alaska-charter-plane-crash-hnk](https://www.cnn.com/2026/08/20/us/alaska-charter-plane-crash-hnk) A couple Youtube videos on that Alaska crash that killed eight: Blancolirio: > **[N128EZ PAEH 20 Aug 2026 Alaska Radar Site Crash](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVGx0Sm3mno%2F)** > > LINKS: Challenging weather and terrain - 8 fatalities.ASN: https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/577225KTTU: https://www.alaskasnewssource.com/2026/08/21/repo... NTSB briefing: > **[NTSB Media Briefing - Cape Newenham, Alaska, Cessna 441 Airplane Crash](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TVL0jjnimc%2F)** > > NTSB Alaska Region Chief Clint Johnson briefs the media on the investigation into the August 20, 2026, crash of a Cessna 441 airplane near Cape Newenham, Alaska ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2026, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-2/1030892/267 "2026-08-23T17:30:56Z")
I don’t think it was covered here, but a Cessna Citation coming into Akron Canton airport lost its nose gear. The pilot made a very smooth landing, looks like everyone was safe. [https://www.kxan.com/news/watch-pilot-makes-rare-emergency-landing-at-ohio-airport/](https://www.kxan.com/news/watch-pilot-makes-rare-emergency-landing-at-ohio-airport/) ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2026, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-2/1030892/268 "2026-08-23T18:01:23Z")
1956 Farnborough Airshow. Fascinating flight film, drop nose aircraft for visibility, fighters, bombers, civilian planes… Some V Bomber and other 50s awesomeness right here [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/j-3aV21YRRY/maxresdefault.jpg "1956 FARNBOROUGH AIR SHOW HAMPSHIRE ENGLAND R.A.F. AVRO VULCAN BOMBER 45454") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-3aV21YRRY) ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2026, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-2/1030892/269 "2026-08-23T20:33:54Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > The pilot made a very smooth landing, looks like everyone was safe. I don’t know if any important stuff is in the nose of a Citation but from the look of it, the damage will buff right out. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2026, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-2/1030892/270 "2026-08-23T22:03:07Z")
An oops near me … > **[FAA investigating after small plane crashes into the water off busy Boca...](https://www.cbsnews.com/miami/news/small-plane-hits-water-boca-raton-8-22-2026/)** > > Police said the one person on board was taken to the hospital as a precaution, but was uninjured. That type ought to fly OK over low terrain on just one engine w just one occupant unless it’s full of heavy cargo. Which gently leans towards a fuel problem leading to dual engine failure. His touchdown was ~5 miles from a suitable airport. But as witnesses said, it was a well-executed ditching leading to no material injuries. So bonus points for that. But as the old joke goes, I doubt the airplane is reuseable due to salt water immersion. So a good landing, not a great one. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2026, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-2/1030892/271 "2026-08-23T22:52:51Z")
Aviation issues aside, a statement like this really pisses me off from a purely factual and journalistic standpoint: > The plane skidded to a stop on the water. “Skidding” means the wheels being locked up and the brakes being ineffective due to sliding on a slippery solid surface like ice, wet roads, or mud. How did this plane manage this amazing feat over water? Maybe the pilot should have pumped the brakes harder as the plane hit the water? ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2026, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-2/1030892/272 "2026-08-23T23:19:02Z")
Skidding may also imply a certain amount of yaw, where heading diverged from track. Which might well occur in a water landing. I’d put that down as “poetic language” meaning “sliding to a stop not fully under operator control.” Which is largely true: the moment you touch the water the drag forces however distributed utterly overwhelm the countervailing forces the pilot can generate w the controls. Think “Icy slide down a hilly road in Toronto in Feb.” That kind of skidding, not the brakes locked kind. ---
**Author:** ![Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiendish_astronaut/32/3295_2.png) [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiendish_Astronaut)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2026, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-2/1030892/273 "2026-08-23T23:32:56Z")
> **[Apocalypse Early Warning System](https://ews.kylemcdonald.net/)** > > Local dashboard for monitoring tracked-aircraft concurrent-activity anomaly signals. Thought I’d share this site which is based on the idea that air traffic will indicate an impending nuclear apocalypse via the increase in private jet use. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2026, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-2/1030892/274 "2026-08-24T15:12:43Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > “Skidding” means the wheels being locked up and the brakes being ineffective due to sliding on a slippery solid surface like ice, wet roads, or mud. Wheels not rolling? Check. Brakes ineffective? Check. Sliding over a slippery surface? Check. I’m not sure why a solid surface is implied by “skidding”, because the primary elements don’t rely on it. ---
**Author:** ![Spiderman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spiderman/32/230_2.png) [@Spiderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiderman)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2026, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-2/1030892/275 "2026-08-24T15:46:13Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > “Skidding” means the wheels being locked up and the brakes being ineffective due to sliding on a slippery solid surface like ice, wet roads, or mud. We SCUBA dive in a nearish former quarry. There is still the (now-permanently underwater/wet) road that the trucks used to get up/down the quarry. There is also a Cessna, Challenger, & a Helldiver (photo posted a couple of years ago in Pt 1 of this thread) in there as attractions. 😆 ---
**Author:** ![Llama\_Llogophile](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@Llama\_Llogophile](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Llama_Llogophile)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2026, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-2/1030892/276 "2026-08-24T18:09:01Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > Wheels not rolling? Check. > Brakes ineffective? Check. > Sliding over a slippery surface? Check. > > I’m not sure why a solid surface is implied by “skidding”, because the primary elements don’t rely on it. If we want to get technical - and I KNOW we do - the term is “hydroplaning” or “aquaplaning”. The formula I’m familiar with is Vp = Square root of the tire inflation x 9. Probably doesn’t apply on water. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2026, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-2/1030892/277 "2026-08-24T19:00:48Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > Which gently leans towards a fuel problem leading to dual engine failure. His touchdown was ~5 miles from a suitable airport. Nitpick: her. The pilot was a 23-year-old woman. From what I understand, several systems failed her, including one engine and the landing gear. She said she could have made it to the airport, but she had a full tank of gas and didn’t want to risk landing on her belly and catching fire, so she chose to ditch in the ocean instead. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2026, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-2/1030892/278 "2026-08-24T19:04:57Z")
The article I’d read had no info on the identity or gender of the pilot. But I certainly flunked gender neutral language there, something I usually do correctly. Thanks for the polite pimp. Sounds like a well-reasoned plan in the face of a messy problem. Can’t fault the outcome. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2026, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-2/1030892/279 "2026-08-25T02:33:57Z")
What kind of plane was the twin in the water? ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2026, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-2/1030892/280 "2026-08-25T05:40:33Z")
A Piper PA-30 or PA-39 (reports differ) Twin Comanche. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-2/1030892.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-aviation-thread-general-and-other-part-2/1030892.md?page=15)