# The Great Ongoing Guitar Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** music\ **Created:** [January 31, 2010, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-guitar-thread/527172 "2010-01-31T23:20:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 153
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2013, 11:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-guitar-thread/527172/3043 "2013-04-30T11:41:28Z")
Hey, BigShooter, I’m about to release a promo video for something that could get a few thousand views. We were just talking about ‘Gee, we could use a nice indie band for this part’. Would you mind terribly if we used some of your music, got you some exposure? If you agree, I’ll pop it past the other people, and we’ll hash out any details. ---
**Author:** ![BigShooter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f07891/32.png) [@BigShooter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigShooter)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2013, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-guitar-thread/527172/3044 "2013-04-30T15:38:02Z")
> [@E-Sabbath](#): > > Hey, BigShooter, I’m about to release a promo video for something that could get a few thousand views. > > We were just talking about ‘Gee, we could use a nice indie band for this part’. Would you mind terribly if we used some of your music, got you some exposure? If you agree, I’ll pop it past the other people, and we’ll hash out any details. Just PM’d you. ---
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2013, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-guitar-thread/527172/3045 "2013-05-01T13:50:58Z")
> [@BigShooter](#): > > Just PM’d you. By the way - finally watching the video. Cool power-pop song and I enjoyed your playing **BigShooter** - good job. And yeah, love a cool Tele Custom. ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2013, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-guitar-thread/527172/3046 "2013-05-01T21:21:03Z")
> [@E-Sabbath](#): > > Oh. And I finally finished upgrading the Canvas. > Sounds real good. Really, really good. Like AC/DC meets Queen. > [Imgur: The magic of the Internet](http://i.imgur.com/ZePRnln.jpg) Is that a GFS Loudmouth in the bridge? ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2013, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-guitar-thread/527172/3047 "2013-05-02T14:08:30Z")
Bigmouth. Didn’t go for the overwound, to match the singles. Which are GFS Brighton Rocks, middle being RW/RP. [http://store.guitarfetish.com/Bigmouth-Bridge-Pickup-POWER-with-vintage-Tone-Bridge-Position\_p\_102.html#](http://store.guitarfetish.com/Bigmouth-Bridge-Pickup-POWER-with-vintage-Tone-Bridge-Position_p_102.html#) [http://store.guitarfetish.com/Brighton-Rock-Pickups-Calibrated-RWRP-Set-of-three\_p\_1521.html](http://store.guitarfetish.com/Brighton-Rock-Pickups-Calibrated-RWRP-Set-of-three_p_1521.html) ---
**Author:** ![BigShooter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f07891/32.png) [@BigShooter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigShooter)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2013, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-guitar-thread/527172/3048 "2013-05-02T16:05:10Z")
> [@WordMan](#): > > By the way - finally watching the video. Cool power-pop song and I enjoyed your playing **BigShooter** - good job. And yeah, love a cool Tele Custom. Thanks man…😃 ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2013, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-guitar-thread/527172/3049 "2013-05-02T17:02:40Z")
> [@E-Sabbath](#): > > Bigmouth. Didn’t go for the overwound, to match the singles. Which are GFS Brighton Rocks, middle being RW/RP. > [http://store.guitarfetish.com/Bigmouth-Bridge-Pickup-POWER-with-vintage-Tone-Bridge-Position\_p\_102.html#](http://store.guitarfetish.com/Bigmouth-Bridge-Pickup-POWER-with-vintage-Tone-Bridge-Position_p_102.html#) > [http://store.guitarfetish.com/Brighton-Rock-Pickups-Calibrated-RWRP-Set-of-three\_p\_1521.html](http://store.guitarfetish.com/Brighton-Rock-Pickups-Calibrated-RWRP-Set-of-three_p_1521.html) Yeah, definitely cool looking pickups, and it sounds like you’re happy with the tone. Sweet. ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2013, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-guitar-thread/527172/3050 "2013-05-03T03:23:57Z")
[http://www.guitarfetish.com/Xaviere-Guitars\_c\_185.html](http://www.guitarfetish.com/Xaviere-Guitars_c_185.html) ALERT! GFS BLEM SALE! Clearance! ---
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2013, 11:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-guitar-thread/527172/3051 "2013-05-05T11:29:15Z")
> [@CookingWithGas](#): > > I am shopping around and considering a Gibson L4 CES. I have seen widely varying asking prices on used ones and having a hard time figuring out what the market price is. The cheaper ones seem to have been used heavily with more normal wear and tear but no unusual damage. But the range I’ve seen is from $2500 to over $4K. Local shop will sell me one new for about $6K. > > I am not a real wheeler and dealer when it comes to gear. I am not buying, selling, and trading all the time like a lot of players. In the last 40 years I have sold two guitars, bought five, and only two of the ones I bought were used. So I’m not plugged into the market. Hey **CWG** - how’s it going with this? On the jazz front, I now have, oh, at least 2 different II-V-I chord changes now with a decent groove to them!\* \*for those not jazz conversant, there are, oh, a practically _infinite_ number of chord voicings that jazz cats should know to play those changes. It’s a start 😉 ---
**Author:** ![CookingWithGas](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cookingwithgas/32/485_2.png) [@CookingWithGas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CookingWithGas)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2013, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-guitar-thread/527172/3052 "2013-05-05T14:46:07Z")
> [@WordMan](#): > > Hey **CWG** - how’s it going with this? > > On the jazz front, I now have, oh, at least 2 different II-V-I chord changes now with a decent groove to them!\* > > \*for those not jazz conversant, there are, oh, a practically _infinite_ number of chord voicings that jazz cats should know to play those changes. It’s a start 😉 Hey, Word! Well, it’s going slow, which is OK because I’m in no hurry. But upthread I was reminded of Gbase, and also turned on to Palen guitars. The nearest dealer is in N.J., a 4-hour drive for me, and I don’t know if I’ll ever get there. I also played a D’Angelico New Yorker at a vintage equipment shop in Fall Church (Action Music). Laminated top but very nice tone and excellent playability. I have a bias towards carved tops but I’m sure that some laminated-top guitars outperform some carved tops. Technically that would be ii-V-I (or ii[sup]7[/sup]-V[sup]7[/sup]-I[sup]maj7[/sup]). I am currently boning up on harmonic minor modes, so trying to burn into my brain those changes in minor keys, which works out to ii[sup]7b5[/sup] - V[sup]7b9[/sup] - i[sup]maj7[/sup]. _Stella By Starlight_ has minor 2-5-1 all over the place. I tend to spend more practice time on solo approach vs. chord voicings, so I only have two voicings for that sequence in minor at the moment. ---
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2013, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-guitar-thread/527172/3053 "2013-05-05T14:54:13Z")
Cool; best of luck as it plays out. As for the changes, yeah, what I am doing is setting up a groove so I can solo over it. Basically the jazzish version of Stevie Ray Vaughn rhythm n’ lead groove-ness. For me, that’s the rub. Soloing in the major scale - which is what I am focused on now - to be SO freakin’ different from blues pent minor. I know - shocking - but I felt so ill equipped to play a simple melody in major it is really interesting to try to _go there_. ---
**Author:** ![CookingWithGas](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cookingwithgas/32/485_2.png) [@CookingWithGas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CookingWithGas)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2013, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-guitar-thread/527172/3054 "2013-05-05T15:13:24Z")
A good way to get started down that road is chord arpeggios. You can’t go wrong playing chord tones over a chord. If you play arpeggios for Dm7, G7, Cmaj7 you are always playing notes in the C major scale. ---
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2013, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-guitar-thread/527172/3055 "2013-05-05T15:28:03Z")
> [@CookingWithGas](#): > > A good way to get started down that road is chord arpeggios. You can’t go wrong playing chord tones over a chord. If you play arpeggios for Dm7, G7, Cmaj7 you are always playing notes in the C major scale. Yep - I get that. But that’s not my point; when I play in Major, hitting a sequence like VII-V-VI (if it is even written that way - it’s like the Day By Day from Godspell lick. When I play a few chords, I try to sell those types of melodic phrases. Right now I am trying to sell my playing of the vocal line for Beyond the Sea. Why? No clue; but it’s a cool challenge for me… ---
**Author:** ![Nars\_Glinley](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nars_glinley/32/8177_2.png) [@Nars\_Glinley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nars_Glinley)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2013, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-guitar-thread/527172/3056 "2013-05-08T14:59:07Z")
Simple question that betrays my ignorance. What does it mean when I’m reading sheet music and I see 2 chords separated by a slash like C+6/A? ---
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2013, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-guitar-thread/527172/3057 "2013-05-08T15:55:44Z")
> [@Nars\_Glinley](#): > > Simple question that betrays my ignorance. What does it mean when I’m reading sheet music and I see 2 chords separated by a slash like C+6/A? Typically it means that you are essentially fingering X chord, but have a Y in the bass note. For those cool, open chords that sound airy and complex, or for passing chords as you climb down a bassline while holding some of the upper-part of the chords constant… ---
**Author:** ![CookingWithGas](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cookingwithgas/32/485_2.png) [@CookingWithGas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CookingWithGas)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2013, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-guitar-thread/527172/3058 "2013-05-08T22:43:24Z")
> [@WordMan](#): > > Typically it means that you are essentially fingering X chord, but have a Y in the bass note. For those cool, open chords that sound airy and complex, or for passing chords as you climb down a bassline while holding some of the upper-part of the chords constant… Right–it’s not two chords. (BTW C+6 looks kind of odd to me; C+7 or C6 but I don’t think I’ve ever seen C+6). Common ones might be Dm7/C, or a progression with descending bass like WordMan describes such as in [While My Guitar Gently Weeps](http://tabs.ultimate-guitar.com/b/beatles/while_my_guitar_gently_weeps_ver4_crd_905726id_25122009date.htm). ---
**Author:** ![scabpicker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scabpicker/32/8268_2.png) [@scabpicker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scabpicker)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2013, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-guitar-thread/527172/3059 "2013-05-09T01:12:27Z")
So, it’s an inversion? ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2013, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-guitar-thread/527172/3060 "2013-05-09T01:23:27Z")
I’m not a big Heart fan. But this acoustic version of Dog and Butterfly is just plain nice! [![]( " - YouTube") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-NB0GiPvh0) ---
**Author:** ![CookingWithGas](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cookingwithgas/32/485_2.png) [@CookingWithGas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CookingWithGas)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2013, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-guitar-thread/527172/3061 "2013-05-09T23:23:37Z")
> [@scabpicker](#): > > So, it’s an inversion? Often but not necessarily. ---
**Author:** ![Ranger\_Jeff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ranger_jeff/32/2065_2.png) [@Ranger\_Jeff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ranger_Jeff)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2013, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-guitar-thread/527172/3062 "2013-05-10T03:24:01Z")
I’m sort of embarrassed to not know this, but I’ve never had a semi-solid/hollow body guitar. On an ES-335, are the pickups mounted to the soundboard or to the block? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-guitar-thread/527172.md?page=152) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-guitar-thread/527172.md?page=154)