# The Great Ongoing Guitar Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** music\ **Created:** [January 31, 2010, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-guitar-thread/527172 "2010-01-31T23:20:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 254
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2017, 10:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-guitar-thread/527172/5064 "2017-10-25T10:10:43Z")
> [@BlutEngel](#): > > I had to stop playing 12 string when I came down with arthritis. 6 string at times was almost impossible. But new advances in RA medications have enabled me to play again, and SWMBO surprised me with a 12 string for Christmas. > > I’m relearning how to play 12, and rediscovering what a challenge it is and how much fun it is. Yay! ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2017, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-guitar-thread/527172/5065 "2017-10-25T12:49:32Z")
Very glad that advances in Medicine are allowing musicians to continue playing. Arthritis can be a terrible disease. ---
**Author:** ![SigMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@SigMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SigMan)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2017, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-guitar-thread/527172/5066 "2017-10-25T14:21:32Z")
Arthritis sucks big balls. I hurt too much to even think about playing. Sadly medicine hadn’t advanced enough for me. Maybe if I OD on my Vicodin… :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2017, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-guitar-thread/527172/5067 "2017-11-03T22:08:23Z")
Cool technique to pop open a humbucker case. You don’t need StewMacs overpriced fretting hammer. LOL any small hammer is fine. Although a brass hammer will protect you $1.50 putty knife’s handle. 🙂 It would be interesting to see the sharp edge he put on that putty knife. He probably hit it a few times with a file. Why did the guy get excited finding two creme pickups? [http://www.stewmac.com/How-To/Trade\_Secrets/How\_to\_open\_a\_humbucker\_with\_a\_hammer.html?lac\_guid=f1c86954-fbbf-e711-80db-ecb1d775572a&utm\_campaign=ts0295&utm\_medium=email&utm\_source=newsletter&utm\_content=ts0295\_C\_20171102](http://www.stewmac.com/How-To/Trade_Secrets/How_to_open_a_humbucker_with_a_hammer.html?lac_guid=f1c86954-fbbf-e711-80db-ecb1d775572a&utm_campaign=ts0295&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&utm_content=ts0295_C_20171102) ---
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2017, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-guitar-thread/527172/5068 "2017-11-03T23:23:18Z")
The original Gibson PAF humbuckers were not designed to be shown with their covers off. Gibson didn’t think about the colors of the plastic bobbins used. It turns out the majority were black, some were Zebra, one black one white, and a few were double cream. That was added to the Lore of the PAF - just like “having covers off is better,” “getting a double cream PAF” was seen as better. Double whites have been desirable ever since - that’s why DiMarzio Suoer Distortions and Seymour Duncan JB’s and '59’s are typically double whites, because they hit the market at the height of PAF Magic. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2017, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-guitar-thread/527172/5069 "2017-11-03T23:38:16Z")
I wasn’t familiar with the PAF humbuckers. I just looked them up. > **[PAF (pickup)](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/PAF_(pickup))** > > A P.A.F., or simply PAF ("Patent Applied For"), is an early model of the humbucker guitar pickup invented by Seth Lover in 1955. Gibson began use of the PAF on higher-model guitars in late 1956 and stopped in late 1962. They were replaced by the Patent Number (Pat No) pickup, essentially a refined version of the PAF. These were in turn replaced by "T-Top" humbuckers in 1967, and production ended in 1975. Though it is commonly mistaken as the first humbucker pickup, the PAF was the first humbuck... Thank you. 🙂 This thread is always so informative. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2017, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-guitar-thread/527172/5070 "2017-11-05T18:25:37Z")
> [@WordMan](#): > > The original Gibson PAF humbuckers were not designed to be shown with their covers off. Gibson didn’t think about the colors of the plastic bobbins used. It turns out the majority were black, some were Zebra, one black one white, and a few were double cream. That was added to the Lore of the PAF - just like “having covers off is better,” “getting a double cream PAF” was seen as better. Double whites have been desirable ever since - that’s why DiMarzio Suoer Distortions and Seymour Duncan JB’s and '59’s are typically double whites, because they hit the market at the height of PAF Magic. I think the reason he said “Ooh, double-creme” is because DiMarzio has a trademark on double-creme humbuckers. As far as I know, you cannot buy a double-creme SD. You can get double-white, but not double-creme. I would post to another forum that discusses this, but I think that might be against board rules. Just google “dimarzio double-creme trademark”. I’ve been playing a lot of my new bass lately. I find it to be a lot more physical than guitar. The tips of my index and middle fingers on my picking hand are now always numb so I’m looking forward to when that goes away. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2017, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-guitar-thread/527172/5071 "2017-11-05T18:31:19Z")
The SD is such an awesome board. I get so much information here. First I learn about PAF humbuckers and now that there’s a trademark on double creme. LOL this thread rocks. I’m always curious when someone posts to this guitar thread. I never know what I’ll learn next. WordMan and the other posters are always available for an answer. ---
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2017, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-guitar-thread/527172/5072 "2017-11-05T19:59:04Z")
Guitars are _important_, man. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![SigMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@SigMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SigMan)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2017, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-guitar-thread/527172/5073 "2017-11-05T20:01:31Z")
When Carvin announced that they found some 80s colored pups in the warehouse they put up the red ones for sale on their site. They were all m22s and I bought a set (M22T & M22V) for my Carvin DC127M. You can see why I want em and they sound sweet. The guitar next to it is my Carvin Bolt kit with upgrades and the pick guard was custom made from Terrapin. [https://s25.postimg.org/nx9lw51gf/S5030148\_2.jpg](https://postimages.org/) ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2017, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-guitar-thread/527172/5074 "2017-11-05T20:05:21Z")
Reds my favorite color. 😃 we need a Drool emoticon. No joke, my first three cars were red. My wife put her foot down and said no to the 4th. I play a Red PRS S2 Mira. It doesn’t have red PUPS. They’re black. Both guitars are very nice. I bet people notice when you get on stage. ---
**Author:** ![SigMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@SigMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SigMan)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2017, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-guitar-thread/527172/5075 "2017-11-05T20:40:46Z")
I’m not pro enough to get on stage but I played at private parties with a drum machine (Adrenalinn III) and I get asked if is that a PRS? 🆒 Some asked to play with it and I let em. All in fun. My Carvin has some upgrades too. I ordered it with 10" radius Ebony fretboard with SS frets, 4-2 head stock and maple cap. My Bolt kit has the same neck and Walnut body. I put the Steinberger gearless tuners on the DC127. That’s the best tuners I’ve seen. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2017, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-guitar-thread/527172/5076 "2017-11-06T19:24:46Z")
[Prince’s teal blue Cloud guitar just sold for $700,000](https://apnews.com/7b24e181a75149e88cad384d6d289b74/Prince's-teal-blue-Cloud-guitar-auctioned-for-%24700K). ---
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2017, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-guitar-thread/527172/5077 "2017-11-06T20:03:08Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > [Prince’s teal blue Cloud guitar just sold for $700,000](https://apnews.com/7b24e181a75149e88cad384d6d289b74/Prince's-teal-blue-Cloud-guitar-auctioned-for-$700K). Whoa. The linked article said it was expected to fetch $60 - $80,000. They normally like to predict low to get people to think they have a chance, but whoa. ---
**Author:** ![SigMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@SigMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SigMan)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2017, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-guitar-thread/527172/5078 "2017-11-06T20:26:19Z")
They can have it. Ugh. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2017, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-guitar-thread/527172/5079 "2017-11-06T20:27:34Z")
AFAIK Prince owned and played a lot of guitars. There is a video, buried somewhere, in this thread about a custom one made for him by a luthier in Europe. Prince died before he could take delivery of it. I’m a bit surprised someone valued one of Prince’s guitars at 700k. I guess someone out there really loved Prince. ---
**Author:** ![Enter\_the\_Flagon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b9bd4f/32.png) [@Enter\_the\_Flagon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enter_the_Flagon)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2017, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-guitar-thread/527172/5080 "2017-11-06T22:18:31Z")
> [@SigMan](#): > > They can have it. Ugh. It’s fugly, yes, but his shows were all about excess, and giving the audience their money’s worth, and that guitar fits right in. Giving credit where it’s due, here he is playing the shit out of it: [![]( " - YouTube") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcunOZpxmbI) ---
**Author:** ![SigMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@SigMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SigMan)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2017, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-guitar-thread/527172/5081 "2017-11-06T22:54:47Z")
Prince is an artist, the guitar is a tool. That guitar reminds me that monstrosity of Romeo Rose’s. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/V5s7jgDO6nk/maxresdefault.jpg "Punk Rock Song by Romeo Rose - Kung Fu Lady") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5s7jgDO6nk) ---
**Author:** ![Enter\_the\_Flagon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b9bd4f/32.png) [@Enter\_the\_Flagon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enter_the_Flagon)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2017, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-guitar-thread/527172/5082 "2017-11-06T23:31:34Z")
Wow, that fits certain definitions of “beautiful”. I surrender. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2017, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-guitar-thread/527172/5083 "2017-11-07T14:20:54Z")
My custom bass is built. 😃 It’ll ship Friday. They got the weight down to 7.6 lbs. Weight and balance are the only reasons I went custom. I choose my case yesterday. It’s a soft case with a rigid frame and foam. It’ll have Mike Lull’s logo on it. It’s a bit pricey. I wasn’t going put a custom bass in a $50 gig bag. [http://www.protecstyle.com/mobile/product.aspx?ProductCode=ctg233&404;http://www.protecstyle.com:80/product-p/ctg233.htm=](http://www.protecstyle.com/mobile/product.aspx?ProductCode=ctg233&404;http://www.protecstyle.com:80/product-p/ctg233.htm=) I’ll post photos after the bass arrives. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-guitar-thread/527172.md?page=253) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-guitar-thread/527172.md?page=255)