# The Great Ongoing Revolving Speakership of the 118th Congress {Mike Johnson is new speaker as of 2023-10-25} **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [October 12, 2023, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-revolving-speakership-of-the-118th-congress-mike-johnson-is-new-speaker-as-of-2023-10-25/991432 "2023-10-12T02:05:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2023, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-revolving-speakership-of-the-118th-congress-mike-johnson-is-new-speaker-as-of-2023-10-25/991432/421 "2023-10-17T23:07:18Z")
They need to use the time to get all the clowns back into the tiny car, so they can pop out tomorrow for our general amusement. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2023, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-revolving-speakership-of-the-118th-congress-mike-johnson-is-new-speaker-as-of-2023-10-25/991432/422 "2023-10-17T23:10:44Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > They’re not voting again today? Tomorrow at 11am ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2023, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-revolving-speakership-of-the-118th-congress-mike-johnson-is-new-speaker-as-of-2023-10-25/991432/423 "2023-10-17T23:20:39Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > Why was Connolly booed for voting Jeffries? He’s a Democrat. Apparently along with his vote for Jefferies, Connolly called Jordan an insurrectionist which did not sit well with Republicans ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2023, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-revolving-speakership-of-the-118th-congress-mike-johnson-is-new-speaker-as-of-2023-10-25/991432/424 "2023-10-17T23:39:18Z")
That’s like saying he looks like Beavis; it’s just true. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2023, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-revolving-speakership-of-the-118th-congress-mike-johnson-is-new-speaker-as-of-2023-10-25/991432/425 "2023-10-17T23:39:42Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > > [@Railer13](#): > > > > It’s worth noting that neither Florida nor Texas has a state income tax, while California and New York both have one. > > It’s state income tax plus property tax. And other local taxes that aren’t property taxes. New York City imposes its own income tax in addition to property taxes. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2023, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-revolving-speakership-of-the-118th-congress-mike-johnson-is-new-speaker-as-of-2023-10-25/991432/426 "2023-10-17T23:57:23Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > If the GOP holdouts won’t vote for Jordan, the FC threatens to vote “present” and throw the speakership to Jeffries. > > It’s a win-win for the FC. FC? > [@hajario](#): > > It’s state income tax plus property tax. But CA property tax is quite low. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2023, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-revolving-speakership-of-the-118th-congress-mike-johnson-is-new-speaker-as-of-2023-10-25/991432/427 "2023-10-17T23:59:57Z")
Freedumb Caucus ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2023, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-revolving-speakership-of-the-118th-congress-mike-johnson-is-new-speaker-as-of-2023-10-25/991432/428 "2023-10-18T00:00:20Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > But CA property tax is quite low. It’s low if you’ve had your house for a while. If you buy a median priced home (830k) tomorrow, you are going to be very close to the limit. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2023, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-revolving-speakership-of-the-118th-congress-mike-johnson-is-new-speaker-as-of-2023-10-25/991432/429 "2023-10-18T00:03:34Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > It’s low if you’ve had your house for a while. If you buy a median priced home (830k) tomorrow, you are going to be very close to the limit. As a %, it is still low, just that the house prices are high. ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2023, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-revolving-speakership-of-the-118th-congress-mike-johnson-is-new-speaker-as-of-2023-10-25/991432/430 "2023-10-18T00:35:45Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > The question in which of those two groups is larger. If Jordan’s vote count increases I bet he keeps pushing until he gets it over the line, but if is shrinks I bet they start looking for yet another alternative. If he loses votes on the floor tomorrow, then he’s absolutely toast. I’d be surprised if that happened. If he just chips away a little bit (say down to just a dozen Republican hold outs), he’s also toast. If he couldn’t cut the bargains he needed to overnight, why would he be able to over several round of voting? If it gets it down to where he’s just 2 or 3 away from clinching, though, he’ll keep pushing it. ---
**Author:** ![MulderMuffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldermuffin/32/2862_2.png) [@MulderMuffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MulderMuffin)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2023, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-revolving-speakership-of-the-118th-congress-mike-johnson-is-new-speaker-as-of-2023-10-25/991432/431 "2023-10-18T00:46:03Z")
Gift link A really comprehensive article about the vote, the holdouts, the likely path forward, and lots of interesting quotes and tidbits. > **[Jordan digs in after first-round loss; next House speaker vote is Wednesday](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/10/17/house-speaker-vote-jim-jordan/?pwapi_token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJyZWFzb24iOiJnaWZ0IiwibmJmIjoxNjk3NTE1MjAwLCJpc3MiOiJzdWJzY3JpcHRpb25zIiwiZXhwIjoxNjk4ODk3NTk5LCJpYXQiOjE2OTc1MTUyMDAsImp0aSI6ImRkODZlNzI2LWU1NTgtNDQ5OC04NzIyLTRlMGM3YjMzOGI3OSIsInVybCI6Imh0dHBzOi8vd3d3Lndhc2hpbmd0b25wb3N0LmNvbS9wb2xpdGljcy8yMDIzLzEwLzE3L2hvdXNlLXNwZWFrZXItdm90ZS1qaW0tam9yZGFuLyJ9.WonsB9KcAMbAz_DpmS6emDM1hGEChypES2NnUQEVEw8&itid=gfta)** > > It has been two weeks since Kevin McCarthy was removed as speaker of the House. Republicans have not been able to agree on his replacement. Apparently Jordan really, really wanted to vote again tonight, but the holdouts are more numerous and more dug in than he was expecting. > But the effort to strong-arm holdouts to bend Jordan’s way irked a number of Republicans, pushing them to oppose Jordan — or dig in more deeply against his candidacy. > But tensions continued to run deep in the Republican conference, with allies of both Jordan and Rep. Steve Scalise (R-La.), his initial rival for the speakership, sniping at each other. > A growing number of Republicans said they would support an expansion of the temporary speaker’s powers. The Republican Governance Group, a coalition of moderates, signed off on a resolution Tuesday evening that would give McHenry more authority to run the House until Jan. 3. > Led by Rep. Mario Diaz-Balart (R-Fla.), five GOP holdouts who are staunchly against Jordan also began to publicly circulate their support for holding a floor vote to elect McHenry as speaker. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2023, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-revolving-speakership-of-the-118th-congress-mike-johnson-is-new-speaker-as-of-2023-10-25/991432/432 "2023-10-18T00:59:43Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > As a %, it is still low, just that the house prices are high. The relevant part as it relates to the SALT deduction cap is the amount, not the percentage. ---
**Author:** ![MrAtoz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@MrAtoz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrAtoz)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2023, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-revolving-speakership-of-the-118th-congress-mike-johnson-is-new-speaker-as-of-2023-10-25/991432/433 "2023-10-18T01:30:10Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > SALT is an acronym for State And Local Taxes. Thanks for that explanation. It is probably a sign of my age that my first association for SALT was the [SALT Talks](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Arms_Limitation_Talks) of the 1970s. I was thinking, surely those aren’t still a sticking point. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2023, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-revolving-speakership-of-the-118th-congress-mike-johnson-is-new-speaker-as-of-2023-10-25/991432/434 "2023-10-18T01:47:17Z")
> [@](#): > > Rep. Ken Buck, a solid conservative from Colorado, said he might support Jordan if Jordan could simply admit in public that Trump lost the 2020 election. > > When reporters asked Jordan on Capitol Hill about Buck’s request, Jordan ignored them and silently got into an elevator. With such brilliant interpersonal skills it’s hard to believe he didn’t get a unanimous vote. ---
**Author:** ![MulderMuffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldermuffin/32/2862_2.png) [@MulderMuffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MulderMuffin)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2023, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-revolving-speakership-of-the-118th-congress-mike-johnson-is-new-speaker-as-of-2023-10-25/991432/435 "2023-10-18T01:47:59Z")
This is encouraging: > **[Jim Jordan’s allies tried strong-arming his GOP critics. It backfired.](https://www.politico.com/news/2023/10/17/conservative-pressure-jordan-speaker-bid-00122089)** > > “The one thing that will never work with me — if you try to pressure me, if you try to threaten me, then I shut off,” GOP Rep. Mario Díaz-Balart said. Apparently in the hours since the vote Jordan has managed to piss off a bunch of people, both those who initially supported him and those he’s been trying to win to his side. > In a move that is likely to further rankle already wary Republicans, Fox News host Sean Hannity’s staff [posted a list of the 20 Republicans](https://hannity.com/media-room/the-list-here-are-the-20-members-of-the-house-gop-who-failed-to-vote-for-jordan-and-how-to-contact-them/) who didn’t vote for Jordan along with their office phone numbers. > Jordan and his lieutenants are “calling people who voted for him trying to stop the bleeding.” And they warned that those calls are “pissing off” members rather than winning them over, noting Jordan has failed to strongly and publicly disavow the attacks against his detractors. It’s actually sounding like he may have bullied his way out of the job. ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2023, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-revolving-speakership-of-the-118th-congress-mike-johnson-is-new-speaker-as-of-2023-10-25/991432/436 "2023-10-18T01:53:17Z")
My Congresswoman, Ann Wagner, had first said that she would not vote for Jordan, then reversed and said he had “allayed” her concerns. I emailed her and asked her to trust her first instincts. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2023, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-revolving-speakership-of-the-118th-congress-mike-johnson-is-new-speaker-as-of-2023-10-25/991432/437 "2023-10-18T01:55:38Z")
> ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2023, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-revolving-speakership-of-the-118th-congress-mike-johnson-is-new-speaker-as-of-2023-10-25/991432/438 "2023-10-18T01:59:27Z")
hahahahahahahahaha _takes breath_ hahahahahahahahahahahaha ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2023, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-revolving-speakership-of-the-118th-congress-mike-johnson-is-new-speaker-as-of-2023-10-25/991432/439 "2023-10-18T02:32:26Z")
Wow, the litmus test I have for even giving a Republican a sniff is being applied between Republicans? ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2023, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-revolving-speakership-of-the-118th-congress-mike-johnson-is-new-speaker-as-of-2023-10-25/991432/440 "2023-10-18T02:38:11Z")
I’m skeptical whether the resistance will hold, though of course I’ll be thrilled if it does. But I think that article makes a good point that a reason why these tactics aren’t having the desired effect is that Members realize this is a preview of _anytime_ they end up opposed to what a Speaker Jordan wants to do. Anytime they refuse to be steamrolled on a vote, he’s going to turn the right-wing ecosystem against them. They have no reason to believe or trust him when he tries to distance himself from these attacks. Compare to Mitch McConnell. He’s never badmouthed Susan Collins, Lisa Murkowski, Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, et. al. even though each one has at times made his life hell. He’s never threatened to primary one of his incumbents for refusing to go along with his strategies. Probably the most embarrassing defeat he suffered in recent years was when three of his own members defeated his measure to repeal Obamacare. He took the L, moved on, and kept good relationships with these Senators that helped get them on board with other critical conservative priorities. It’s impossible to imagine Jim Jordan having the same reaction. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-revolving-speakership-of-the-118th-congress-mike-johnson-is-new-speaker-as-of-2023-10-25/991432.md?page=21) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-revolving-speakership-of-the-118th-congress-mike-johnson-is-new-speaker-as-of-2023-10-25/991432.md?page=23)