# The Great Ongoing Revolving Speakership of the 118th Congress {Mike Johnson is new speaker as of 2023-10-25} **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [October 12, 2023, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-revolving-speakership-of-the-118th-congress-mike-johnson-is-new-speaker-as-of-2023-10-25/991432 "2023-10-12T02:05:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 26
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2023, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-revolving-speakership-of-the-118th-congress-mike-johnson-is-new-speaker-as-of-2023-10-25/991432/501 "2023-10-18T17:07:01Z")
> [@MulderMuffin](#): > > Voted for someone named Granger, I think Kay Granger from Texas, according to the NYT live tracker. She appears to be a major player on the appropriations committee. ETA: If it was someone in the S’s who voted for her, then I think it was Pete Stauber from Minnesota, who was a vote for Jeffries yesterday. ETAA: she voted for Scaliese yesterday and today. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2023, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-revolving-speakership-of-the-118th-congress-mike-johnson-is-new-speaker-as-of-2023-10-25/991432/502 "2023-10-18T17:07:05Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > Missed opportunity! I opted for a more subtle and elegant joke. ---
**Author:** ![MulderMuffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldermuffin/32/2862_2.png) [@MulderMuffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MulderMuffin)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2023, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-revolving-speakership-of-the-118th-congress-mike-johnson-is-new-speaker-as-of-2023-10-25/991432/503 "2023-10-18T17:08:02Z")
What do you think? Recess? Another vote? Move to give McHenry more power? Surely Jordan sees the writing on the wall. ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2023, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-revolving-speakership-of-the-118th-congress-mike-johnson-is-new-speaker-as-of-2023-10-25/991432/504 "2023-10-18T17:09:48Z")
> [@ShadowFacts](#): > > While I am delighted that Jordan is going to lose another vote, I am surprised that the anti-Jordan bloc is not acting more like a … bloc. The advantage of this is that it makes clear there’s no bloc for him to negotiate with — there’s no deal for him to cut to get their votes like McCarthy did with the Freedom Caucus. He’s doomed. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2023, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-revolving-speakership-of-the-118th-congress-mike-johnson-is-new-speaker-as-of-2023-10-25/991432/505 "2023-10-18T17:10:10Z")
> [@MulderMuffin](#): > > Surely Jordan sees the writing on the wall. and the writing says “How Dare You Defy ME!” ---
**Author:** ![Digger11](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/838e76/32.png) [@Digger11](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Digger11)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2023, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-revolving-speakership-of-the-118th-congress-mike-johnson-is-new-speaker-as-of-2023-10-25/991432/506 "2023-10-18T17:10:14Z")
> [@MulderMuffin](#): > > Surely Jordan sees the writing on the wall. Why would he, when it took McCarthy 15 votes? ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2023, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-revolving-speakership-of-the-118th-congress-mike-johnson-is-new-speaker-as-of-2023-10-25/991432/507 "2023-10-18T17:12:05Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Kay Granger from Texas, according to the NYT live tracker. Shoot, I was hoping it was Ernest Grainger from Grace Brothers. I think what will have to be done is let McHenry bring stuff to the floor as needed, let the parliamentarian say it’s out of order, let the House override the ruling, and go on with business and McHenry acting as Speaker in all but name. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2023, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-revolving-speakership-of-the-118th-congress-mike-johnson-is-new-speaker-as-of-2023-10-25/991432/508 "2023-10-18T17:16:11Z")
i believe that it has been established that jordan sees nothing. gavel down, on to back room deals. ---
**Author:** ![MulderMuffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldermuffin/32/2862_2.png) [@MulderMuffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MulderMuffin)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2023, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-revolving-speakership-of-the-118th-congress-mike-johnson-is-new-speaker-as-of-2023-10-25/991432/509 "2023-10-18T17:17:57Z")
> [@Digger11](#): > > Why would he, when it took McCarthy 15 votes? Ah, but the vote against McCarthy kept going down with each vote. The opposition to Jordan grew. And we’re in recess. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2023, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-revolving-speakership-of-the-118th-congress-mike-johnson-is-new-speaker-as-of-2023-10-25/991432/510 "2023-10-18T17:18:42Z")
You’re saying that to know Jordan is not to love him? ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2023, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-revolving-speakership-of-the-118th-congress-mike-johnson-is-new-speaker-as-of-2023-10-25/991432/511 "2023-10-18T17:20:03Z")
I’ve not been watching, just following along here and NYT. Is there much speechifying going on before votes? ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2023, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-revolving-speakership-of-the-118th-congress-mike-johnson-is-new-speaker-as-of-2023-10-25/991432/512 "2023-10-18T17:25:57Z")
None. There was when they did the nomination in the beginning. For the actual vote, they are supposed to just call out the surname ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2023, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-revolving-speakership-of-the-118th-congress-mike-johnson-is-new-speaker-as-of-2023-10-25/991432/513 "2023-10-18T17:27:02Z")
> [@Digger11](#): > > Why would he, when it took McCarthy 15 votes? I say Jordan should try to break **all** of McCarthy’s records, just to show him! The most voting rounds needed to win, the narrowest winning margin, and then, as a capper, an even shorter tenure as Speaker. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2023, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-revolving-speakership-of-the-118th-congress-mike-johnson-is-new-speaker-as-of-2023-10-25/991432/514 "2023-10-18T17:29:07Z")
Good god, no. I don’t want that fucker anywhere near the Speaker’s gavel for even a nano-second! ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2023, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-revolving-speakership-of-the-118th-congress-mike-johnson-is-new-speaker-as-of-2023-10-25/991432/515 "2023-10-18T17:32:15Z")
> [@flurb](#): > > The advantage of this is that it makes clear there’s no bloc for him to negotiate with — there’s no deal for him to cut to get their votes like McCarthy did with the Freedom Caucus. That does make sense, but is also presumes that the votes stay static. If Jordan just keeps grinding on and grinding on, at some point there needs to be an alternative to rally around or the supposed moderates will eventually cave. ---
**Author:** ![MrAtoz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@MrAtoz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrAtoz)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2023, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-revolving-speakership-of-the-118th-congress-mike-johnson-is-new-speaker-as-of-2023-10-25/991432/516 "2023-10-18T17:33:28Z")
> [@MulderMuffin](#): > > Spartz sure does like waiting until the second call to vote. She did that yesterday, and back in January with McCarthy, too. And then she flipped to Jordan. She doesn’t even have the vague excuse of not wanting to upset her constituents lest she have a primary challenger next year. She’s already announced that she’s not going to run for re-election. She could, in theory, do whatever she wants to with no real fear of reprisal. Based on what I’ve seen of Spartz’s recent behavior and public announcements (I live in the district just next to hers), I get the sense that she’s tired/disillusioned with the whole idea of being in Congress, and can’t wait until it’s over. I think she’s just doing the bare minimum required of her until she can leave. ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2023, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-revolving-speakership-of-the-118th-congress-mike-johnson-is-new-speaker-as-of-2023-10-25/991432/517 "2023-10-18T17:34:04Z")
Jeez. I hope they don’t start doubling down on the scare tactics to the opposition to Jordan. I mean, we’re dealing here with a bunch of fawning cult members who are very willing to take drastic, tantrum-like action when they are not getting their way. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2023, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-revolving-speakership-of-the-118th-congress-mike-johnson-is-new-speaker-as-of-2023-10-25/991432/518 "2023-10-18T17:34:04Z")
> [@MulderMuffin](#): > > Surely Jordan sees the writing on the wall. MAGAs can’t see writing on the wall: it all looks to them like random blotches of ketchup. ---
**Author:** ![MulderMuffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldermuffin/32/2862_2.png) [@MulderMuffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MulderMuffin)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2023, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-revolving-speakership-of-the-118th-congress-mike-johnson-is-new-speaker-as-of-2023-10-25/991432/519 "2023-10-18T17:35:35Z")
> [@flurb](#): > > The advantage of this is that it makes clear there’s no bloc for him to negotiate with — there’s no deal for him to cut to get their votes like McCarthy did with the Freedom Caucus. From the Washington Post, the four new votes against Jordan are from a different demographic than most of the 20 votes against yesterday. But they all do have one thing in common: they all voted to certify the 2020 election. > The four Republicans who voted for Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) on Tuesday but not today — Reps. Vern Buchanan (Fla.), Drew Ferguson (Ga.), Mariannette Miller-Meeks (Iowa) and Pete Stauber (Minn.) — don’t fall into the categories that many of the previous Jordan holdouts do. > > None of them are on the House Appropriations Committee or the House Armed Services Committee. Nor are they members of the Problem Solvers Caucus, which is home to many moderate Republicans. And they don’t represent especially competitive districts. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2023, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-revolving-speakership-of-the-118th-congress-mike-johnson-is-new-speaker-as-of-2023-10-25/991432/520 "2023-10-18T17:36:16Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > > [@MulderMuffin](#): > > > > Surely Jordan sees the writing on the wall. > > MAGAs can’t see writing on the wall: it all looks to them like random blotches of ketchup. I believe you misspelled “librul blood” there at the end. But otherwise I agree completely. 🙂 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-revolving-speakership-of-the-118th-congress-mike-johnson-is-new-speaker-as-of-2023-10-25/991432.md?page=25) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-revolving-speakership-of-the-118th-congress-mike-johnson-is-new-speaker-as-of-2023-10-25/991432.md?page=27)