# The Great Ongoing Revolving Speakership of the 118th Congress {Mike Johnson is new speaker as of 2023-10-25} **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [October 12, 2023, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-revolving-speakership-of-the-118th-congress-mike-johnson-is-new-speaker-as-of-2023-10-25/991432 "2023-10-12T02:05:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 55
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2023, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-revolving-speakership-of-the-118th-congress-mike-johnson-is-new-speaker-as-of-2023-10-25/991432/1081 "2023-10-24T17:30:13Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > In the roll call up and down vote, 26 said the wouldn’t vote for Emmer. > > He’s toast Now’s the time for Jeffries to pull Emmer aside, clear his throat, and start getting some concessions. “So, you got a little problem there, Mr Emmer. Ya know, we can help with that…” ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2023, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-revolving-speakership-of-the-118th-congress-mike-johnson-is-new-speaker-as-of-2023-10-25/991432/1082 "2023-10-24T17:39:07Z")
I’ll agree to that if Emmer agrees to shut down and publicly discredit the investigations into the Biden family, support legislation to protect abortion rights, fund Ukraine, and to support further legislation to strengthen the ACA and worker protections. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2023, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-revolving-speakership-of-the-118th-congress-mike-johnson-is-new-speaker-as-of-2023-10-25/991432/1083 "2023-10-24T17:40:07Z")
> [@gnoitall](#): > > It would be the political equivalent of staying in an abusive relationship because the abuser can change. The problem with this analogy is, in an abusive relationship, the victim usually has the power to walk away, they just need to exercise that power. But in Congress? You’re stuck with these fuckers. The Democrats have no power, legal or otherwise, that will remove the recalcitrant radical Republicans from office, and so long as they’re holding those offices, they have real, legal power to pull their shit. Until the Democrats can convince voters to stop putting these people in power, Democrats in office need to have plans to minimize the bullshit and maximize the useful work being done, and that will require working with at least some Republicans, even if those options have low odds for success. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2023, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-revolving-speakership-of-the-118th-congress-mike-johnson-is-new-speaker-as-of-2023-10-25/991432/1084 "2023-10-24T17:40:36Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > I’ll agree to that if Emmer agrees to shut down and publicly discredit the investigations into the Biden family, support legislation to protect abortion rights, fund Ukraine, and to support further legislation to strengthen the ACA and worker protections… Would you like a pony as well? A pony with a purple tail that flys? ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2023, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-revolving-speakership-of-the-118th-congress-mike-johnson-is-new-speaker-as-of-2023-10-25/991432/1085 "2023-10-24T17:42:41Z")
How do you trust Emmer to keep the promises? How do you even be able to guarantee that any of them happen? ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2023, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-revolving-speakership-of-the-118th-congress-mike-johnson-is-new-speaker-as-of-2023-10-25/991432/1086 "2023-10-24T17:43:02Z")
> [@gnoitall](#): > > > [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > > > still don’t understand why any sane Democrat would vote for a candidate whose campaign pitch for the job is _ **”to undo the damage that Democrats have done and expand our conservative majority”** _ > > It would be the political equivalent of staying in an abusive relationship because the abuser can change. Democrats have been acting like abused spouses appeasing their abusers for years now. I spent some time a few years ago pointing this out, until I got disgusted with all the “Yeah, the Republicans are horrid but if I fold the towels just right every time maybe they’ll stop hitting me” toned responses. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2023, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-revolving-speakership-of-the-118th-congress-mike-johnson-is-new-speaker-as-of-2023-10-25/991432/1087 "2023-10-24T17:46:01Z")
Yeah, “it’s your own fault I’m having to make you suffer” has been GOP political philosophy for going on decades now. No news there. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2023, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-revolving-speakership-of-the-118th-congress-mike-johnson-is-new-speaker-as-of-2023-10-25/991432/1088 "2023-10-24T17:48:13Z")
Non Emmer voters Rick Allen – Johnson Jim Banks – Jordan Andy Biggs – Present Josh Brecheen – Jordan Mike Cloud – Jordan Andrew Clyde – Jordan Mike Collins – Jordan Eli Crane – Johnson Warren Davidson – Present Bob Good – Johnson Paul Gosar – Jordan MTG – Jordan Diane Harshbarger – Johnson Ronny Jackson – Jordan Tom Massie – Jordan Max Miller – Jordan Cory Mills – Donalds Troy Nehls – present Ralph Norman – Jordan Andy Ogles – Jordan Scott Perry – Jordan Chip Roy – Present Keith Self – Jordan Greg Steube – present ---
**Author:** ![That\_Don\_Guy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/that_don_guy/32/538_2.png) [@That\_Don\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/That_Don_Guy)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2023, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-revolving-speakership-of-the-118th-congress-mike-johnson-is-new-speaker-as-of-2023-10-25/991432/1089 "2023-10-24T17:52:16Z")
Pardon me for asking what is probably a very crazy question, but just what would a Speaker Emmer do that a Speaker Jordan would never consider - or vice versa? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2023, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-revolving-speakership-of-the-118th-congress-mike-johnson-is-new-speaker-as-of-2023-10-25/991432/1090 "2023-10-24T17:52:54Z")
They’ve gone fully, completely insane: > Troy Nehls said if he goes to the floor, he will nominate the former president. > > “I think Donald Trump is our answer,” he said. “Maybe for the first time in the history of our democracy, we should consider somebody from the outside. I suggested, if we go to the House floor for a vote, it is our leader Donald J. Trump for 100 days.” ---
**Author:** ![MulderMuffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldermuffin/32/2862_2.png) [@MulderMuffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MulderMuffin)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2023, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-revolving-speakership-of-the-118th-congress-mike-johnson-is-new-speaker-as-of-2023-10-25/991432/1091 "2023-10-24T17:53:33Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > Non Emmer voters > > Rick Allen – Johnson > Jim Banks – Jordan > Andy Biggs – Present > Josh Brecheen – Jordan > Mike Cloud – Jordan > Andrew Clyde – Jordan > Mike Collins – Jordan > Eli Crane – Johnson > Warren Davidson – Present > Bob Good – Johnson > Paul Gosar – Jordan > MTG – Jordan > Diane Harshbarger – Johnson > Ronny Jackson – Jordan > Tom Massie – Jordan > Max Miller – Jordan > Cory Mills – Donalds > Troy Nehls – present > Ralph Norman – Jordan > Andy Ogles – Jordan > Scott Perry – Jordan > Chip Roy – Present > Keith Self – Jordan > Greg Steube – present From the Washington Post > Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) said on Tuesday that he plans to encourage Republicans who voted for him in the House conference’s latest vote for speaker to stand down. > > “I’m going to encourage it. Yeah, I’m going to encourage our team to come together,” Jordan — who was [dropped as](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/10/20/house-speaker-race-candidates-jim-jordan/?itid=lk_inline_manual_13)the GOP’s nominee to be House speaker last week — told reporters. @That_Don_Guy > Pardon me for asking what is probably a very crazy question, but just what would a Speaker Emmer do that a Speaker Jordan would never consider - or vice versa? Well, he voted to protect same sex marriage, he voted to certify the election, he voted to fund the government to name a few… ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2023, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-revolving-speakership-of-the-118th-congress-mike-johnson-is-new-speaker-as-of-2023-10-25/991432/1092 "2023-10-24T17:54:49Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > They’ve gone fully, completely insane: > > > Troy Nehls said if he goes to the floor, he will nominate the former president. > > > > “I think Donald Trump is our answer,” he said. “Maybe for the first time in the history of our democracy, we should consider somebody from the outside. I suggested, if we go to the House floor for a vote, it is our leader Donald J. Trump for 100 days.” Yeah, Donald’s schedule seems pretty open right now. Can’t imagine why he wouldn’t be able to run the House of Representatives. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2023, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-revolving-speakership-of-the-118th-congress-mike-johnson-is-new-speaker-as-of-2023-10-25/991432/1093 "2023-10-24T17:56:02Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > They’ve gone fully, completely insane: They are just deeply unserious. It’s as if a hospital full of doctors, knowing that they’re hired on a two-year contract, decided to spend those two years playing basketball and posting memes instead of doing their goddamned jobs. They don’t care about what they were hired to do. They’ll fuck around and have fun instead. ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2023, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-revolving-speakership-of-the-118th-congress-mike-johnson-is-new-speaker-as-of-2023-10-25/991432/1094 "2023-10-24T17:58:12Z")
Jeepers. The Democrats must be running out of popcorn by now. > [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > They’ve gone fully, completely insane: Strong smell of desperation there. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2023, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-revolving-speakership-of-the-118th-congress-mike-johnson-is-new-speaker-as-of-2023-10-25/991432/1095 "2023-10-24T17:58:45Z")
> [@MulderMuffin](#): > > From the Washington Post > > > Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) said on Tuesday that he plans to encourage Republicans who voted for him in the House conference’s latest vote for speaker to stand down. > > > > “I’m going to encourage it. Yeah, I’m going to encourage our team to come together,” Jordan — who was [dropped as](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/10/20/house-speaker-race-candidates-jim-jordan/?itid=lk_inline_manual_13)the GOP’s nominee to be House speaker last week — told reporters. Even if they all fall in line, there are still five that voted for either Jordan or Present. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2023, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-revolving-speakership-of-the-118th-congress-mike-johnson-is-new-speaker-as-of-2023-10-25/991432/1096 "2023-10-24T18:01:28Z")
They are now on a two hour break to figure whatever tf to do next ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2023, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-revolving-speakership-of-the-118th-congress-mike-johnson-is-new-speaker-as-of-2023-10-25/991432/1097 "2023-10-24T18:21:50Z")
🎵_Dysfuntion Junction, what’s your function?_ _Hookin’ up turds and lazies and frauds-es_ _Dysfuntion Junction, what’s your function?_ _I’ve got three favored Speaker candidates that can’t get the job done_ _Dysfuntion Junction, what’s your function?_ _I’ve got Scalise, Jordan, and Emmer - they won’t go very far_ _Scalise! Gave-up and sent it back to the clerk_ _Jordan! Withdrew after strong-arming didn’t work_ _Emmer! Scuttled by the Insane GOP Posse jerks_ _When you have a choice like this or that,_ _None of them will get you very far!_ _Dysfuntion Junction, what’s your function?_ 🎶 ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2023, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-revolving-speakership-of-the-118th-congress-mike-johnson-is-new-speaker-as-of-2023-10-25/991432/1098 "2023-10-24T18:29:31Z")
> [@That\_Don\_Guy](#): > > Pardon me for asking what is probably a very crazy question, but just what would a Speaker Emmer do that a Speaker Jordan would never consider - or vice versa? Bring legislation to the floor to prevent a government shutdown even if it would require Democratic votes to pass. Bring Biden’s legislation for Ukraine & Israel to the floor even if a majority of his caucus opposed it. Govern, basically. ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2023, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-revolving-speakership-of-the-118th-congress-mike-johnson-is-new-speaker-as-of-2023-10-25/991432/1099 "2023-10-24T18:33:30Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > They are just deeply unserious. This is exactly right. They haven’t realized (or, more likely, just don’t care) that when you are elected as a member of a party, and chose to caucus with that party, the bare minimum you are _expected_ to do is support that caucus’s selection as the leader of the party. Sure, you can vote the way you want during the caucus votes, but when the time comes to vote for Speaker, you vote your party’s candidate. Period. You don’t get to hold your party hostage until you get your way. They think that their moderates will blink. That when the choice is either Jordan (or someone like him) or a shutdown (or Jeffries) that the “moderates” will cave. But I’m not sure they are right about that… ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2023, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-revolving-speakership-of-the-118th-congress-mike-johnson-is-new-speaker-as-of-2023-10-25/991432/1100 "2023-10-24T18:36:22Z")
> [@Jas09](#): > > But I’m not sure they are right about that… One thing politicians are good at, is seeing anything that weakens their political influence. The moderates can see that it they cave to Gaetz & Co, then they’ve weakened their own political power. I think that, more than anything else, will drive the stalemate to continue. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-revolving-speakership-of-the-118th-congress-mike-johnson-is-new-speaker-as-of-2023-10-25/991432.md?page=54) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-ongoing-revolving-speakership-of-the-118th-congress-mike-johnson-is-new-speaker-as-of-2023-10-25/991432.md?page=56)