# The Great Phi Theory. **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 7, 2001, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-phi-theory/92076 "2001-11-07T23:28:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Hiyruu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/7bcc69/32.png) [@Hiyruu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hiyruu)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2001, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-phi-theory/92076/1 "2001-11-07T23:28:52Z")
I’ve posted my ideas about the number Phi (1.618…) and the unified field theory here before, and people have not accepted it that well. So, I have changed my approach, I will present the ideas in the simplest terms possible. I will refrence this article originally written by Dan Winter for public use: [http://www.soulinvitation.com/introduction/index.html](http://www.soulinvitation.com/introduction/index.html) Please read the entire thing before you comment, again, this is the simplest I can present it. Here is an excerpt, but I encourage you to read the whole article: > [@](#): > > 1. In a unified field everything is waves moving about in a universal jello of particle/waves. > > 2. In that universal jello or “ether” the only self-organizing shape is the donut or smoke rings or torus. > > 3. Those donuts or vortex pairs arrange themselves like trumpets into the faces of the platonic solids, and this is called the atomic table (matter). > > (1,3cube,5dodec,7icos donut vortex pair make 2,6,10,14 electron-s,p,d,f subshells:all matter) > > Also, the self organizing Spiral which delineates the self organizing 7 color map moebius on the surface of that same donut, viewed from the symmetry of the tetrahedron is the Hebrew alphabet. Letter’s are merely elements of spin symmetry, which by virtue of being perfectly embedded , allow the hologram inside your head to phase entrain the denser hologram (matter) outside. > > 1. When a wave in this jello or ether moves in a line it is called energy, when the same wave is “sucked” into a circle, the slight gyroscopic > resistance to change of position, is called “matter”. In physics, INERTIA stored is the ONLY definition of mass. The wave moving in a circle > creates matter (as opposed to “doesn’t matter”.) > > This is called quantum mechanics, because elements of the wave spin can only stand still when meeting themselves from opposing directions. > This separates the jello or ether into packets or envelopes of waves, storing spin inertia. So “the creator” (fractal attraction) is the principle of > self-reference (self/awareness) which steered the wave into the circle, from the line. I am that I am. > > 1. Something has to provide “centering force” to hold the wave going in a circle in the same place (widening gyre with a center that will not > hold?). > > 2. This “centering force” is what happens when waves “collapse”, “implosively” toward a center. > > IMPORTANTLY: this collapse inward function is called many names: > > a. implosion is to burst inward and inward flow only. > > b. gravity is the attraction between two massive bodies. The name of the attracting force. > > c. magnetic monopole, > > d. scalar is a quantity such as it’s length wave that is completely specified by its magnitude and has no direction. From the latin ladder > > e. Recursion is to happen, to come up or show up again, repeatedly. > > f. self reference > > 1. Waves get this permission to CONcresce (gather all crests to one point) when they all arrange their distance from that point by PHI or Golden > Mean ratio. This is because this allows “recursive” or repeated adding AND multiplying of their interference. This perfects constructive > interference from many directions at once. > > 2. Therefore gravity occurs BECAUSE the outer waves nest (electron for example on an atomic scale, or long wave ley lines on a planetary one) > BECOMES SELF SIMILAR or recursive to the inner waves nest (neutrons in an atom.) This pattern on the outside repeated in the pattern on the > inside is the definition of FRACTALITY. THIS MEANS LITERALLY THAT FRACTALITY (charge arranged into self-embedding) CREATES GRAVITY. (And this will be born out in a revolution as physics proves gravity and atmosphere can be stabilized by perfecting the geometry of embedding, see [http://www.danwinter.com/predictions](http://www.danwinter.com/predictions) ) > > 3. When waves are drawn to a focus, they automatically sort out those, which cannot pass the laws of symmetry to let them pass the vortex > which focus creates. This means that WHATEVER CREATES FOCUS CREATES SORTING. This also means that THE TEST OF PERFECT > SYMMETRY, IS THE SAME AS THE TEST FOR WHAT IS PERFECTLY SHAREABLE (AS A WAVE OR IDEA OR EMOTION OR > INTENT OR PERSON OR FEELING OR…). > > 4. Perfect fractal or recursive or nestable or “embedable” symmetry is thus literally a test for pure intention. > > 5. When waves can agree to meet sustainably this is called “sacred”. > > 6. The Golden Mean or PHI ratio perfects recursion/embedding/intention/gravity/awareness/responseability/implosion/mass/sorting… > > 7. The role of MIND among waves, is to align the still points, which guides them into the PHI ratio of recursion permitting them to stay still. > They get permission to stand as wave (called “eck” -or charge- in “stasis” / ecstacy). This creates the tingle in your body in the place you have > chosen to place your attention, you have aligned field effects to “concrescence” or centering. This compression of the ethers is the principle by > which matter is created out of light. > > 8. When the harmonics of a brain (eeg) or heart (ekg) or planet (schuman series), enter into nesting by powers of PHI, then that (or any) > biological oscillator becomes: > > a. self organizing > > b. self aware > > c. eck-static > > examples include the sustainable elimination of addiction and attention deficit in brainwave neurofeedback work using this principle. > > 1. The power of placing a limit (“power of limits” by doczi) on any oscillator is that in order to emerge from chaos, IT MUST TAKE THE > PATH OF PHI-LO taxis. (Perfect branching based on PHI.) examples include stock market becomes predictable when volume harmonics > become PHI / and heart waves become sustainable (all chronic diseases end) when the harmonics arrange themselves into Phi embedability. > > 2. EKG harmonics only Heartlink/ ASCEND into this perfect fractal or “heart rate variability” when you feel wonder/compassion/truth because > this exactly corresponds to what is electrically distributable or shareable. > > 3. The reason “only love bends the light, so therefore only love creates” is because this feeling of compassion permits compression, which > permits centering which draws in the linear light into the circle. The same electrical centering force/literal gravity of glandular emotion creates > steerage among wormholes and dimensions. > > This is why perfect compression is identical to compassion. Both are examples of successful sharing (symmetry) of space. > > To understand this more literally, consider this. At the moment of apparent bliss/ or compassion the heart invarianbly appears to create harmonics spaced near .618 Golden Ratio (ref 1, ref 2). The only possible sustainable 3D geometry which is that nesting geometry is the charge implosion associated with waves in the dodeca stellation. (See Grail animation - perfect embedding). This clearly is that origin of gravity, namely that self-similarity / fractality in 3D is what creates the one way suction inward called gravity. (As waves are sucked in thru the speed of light). This is the only effective way sucking or bending the light out of it’s line (energy) into a circle (gyroscopically the origin of stored inertia called mass). Embedding - amounts to representing well - WHAT IS OUTSIDE YOU, AS IF IT WERE INSIDE. So not only does embedding by long wave phi ratio (lo phi) create the only possible inward imploding centering force to bend the light, IT IS ALSO TRUE THAT ULTIMATELY IT IS THAT EXACT PRINCIPLE WHICH IS THE ONLY POSSIBLE WAY TO CREATE (MATTER OUT OF LIGHT). (Since the light won’t continue nesting it’s quanta in a circle unless that centering force caused by embedding remains. ) This would explain further why planets only sustain gravity by assuming an embeddable (dodeca) shape to their long waves (grid). And in so doing, as Gurdjieff said, begin to experience gravity relations erotically - in somewhat the same way as coherent emotions feed the Earth. ---
**Author:** ![Greyson3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/258eb7/32.png) [@Greyson3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Greyson3)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2001, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-phi-theory/92076/2 "2001-11-07T23:39:19Z")
my cat’s breath smells like cat food ---
**Author:** ![Ferrous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Ferrous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferrous)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2001, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-phi-theory/92076/3 "2001-11-07T23:42:05Z")
I like my universal jello with whipped cream. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Maximino](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e95f7d/32.png) [@Mighty\_Maximino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Maximino)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2001, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-phi-theory/92076/4 "2001-11-07T23:43:43Z")
And this theory predicts that . . .? Seriously, give me something that I can go observe. Fill in these blanks: My theory explains \_\_\_\_ more satisfactorily than existing physics. Because of this, the observed \_\_\_\_\_ that we currently have trouble explaining matches my theory’s prediction of \_\_\_\_\_. Further, if you were to do \_\_\_\_\_ test, the theory predicts that \_\_\_\_ will occur. Fill 'em in or go home, please. (Mmmm. Universal jello. Does that go with Soul Donuts?) ---
**Author:** ![Monster104](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Monster104](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monster104)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2001, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-phi-theory/92076/5 "2001-11-08T00:05:52Z")
I bent my wookie. ---
**Author:** ![Kamandi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5daacb/32.png) [@Kamandi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamandi)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2001, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-phi-theory/92076/6 "2001-11-08T00:14:40Z")
My God! It’s full of stars… ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2001, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-phi-theory/92076/7 "2001-11-08T00:17:19Z")
Has anybody noticed how similar some of **Hiyruu** ’s stuff is to the Theosophism of H.P. Blavatsky? For some reason, noting this makes me veeeery uneasy… ---
**Author:** ![jab1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ee7513/32.png) [@jab1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jab1)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2001, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-phi-theory/92076/8 "2001-11-08T00:24:01Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Ferrous \* > \*\*I like my universal jello with whipped cream. \*\* With or without fruit cocktail? ---
**Author:** ![theretsof](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e8c25b/32.png) [@theretsof](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/theretsof)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2001, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-phi-theory/92076/9 "2001-11-08T00:25:56Z")
Apple phi, pumpkin phi, banana cream phi To quote the esteemed philosopher H. J. Simpson: “aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhwwwwwwwwww” (it works better if you picture the stream of saliva) ---
**Author:** ![Darwins\_Finch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darwins_finch/32/20304_2.png) [@Darwins\_Finch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darwins_Finch)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2001, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-phi-theory/92076/10 "2001-11-08T00:39:02Z")
You forgot “universal jello phi”. ---
**Author:** ![panamajack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/47e85d/32.png) [@panamajack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panamajack)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2001, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-phi-theory/92076/11 "2001-11-08T00:42:22Z")
**Polycarp** , I didn’t know who Blavatsky was until you mentioned her, but after looking I realize I had heard the beliefs before. I also find this brief article [Let’s Take Hitler](http://www.factsource.com/cut/garbo.6.30.00.html). Ignoring the conclusions the author makes, is this a fair assessment of Blavatsky (and why we have reason to be alarmed)? By the way, are Blavatsky’s writings as strangely unclear as these, or are you talking about the ideas? Reading this stuff is so odd … it’s as if a computer had generated the phrases, but not quite, just a little too human, and yet not exactly what an absolute lunatic’s ravings would be. I skimmed through the article linked to in the OP. What’s odd is that the ‘Questioner’ appears to speak rationally and normally at first, but over time seems to lose it. Yet the answers maintain the gobbledygook phraseology throughout. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2001, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-phi-theory/92076/12 "2001-11-08T00:43:43Z")
Does Universal Jello Phi replace both metric _and_ standard Jello Phi? If so, this could free up a whole shelf in my refrigerator! ---
**Author:** ![Donnie\_B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/90ced4/32.png) [@Donnie\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Donnie_B)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2001, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-phi-theory/92076/13 "2001-11-08T00:50:54Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Hiyruu \* > \*\*I’ve posted my ideas about the number Phi (1.618…) and the unified field theory here before, and people have not accepted it that well. > \*\* Really? That’s odd. ---
**Author:** ![robby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robby/32/11048_2.png) [@robby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robby)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2001, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-phi-theory/92076/14 "2001-11-08T00:56:19Z")
From Hiyruu’s website: > [@](#): > > Could this “Principle of Pure Principle…” of SHAPE be the key to every other discipline including especially biological immortality? (and the physics of PEACEmaking? No. > [@](#): > > from dan winter (permission to reprint and adapth is hereby given by this author) > > …approaching 100 million bytes of lively animated & deep SACRED GEOMETRY & COHERENT EMOTION on the web… What a waste of perfectly good storage media. > [@](#): > > The wave moving in a circle creates matter (as opposed to “doesn’t matter”.) Hmm… So it’s “matter” vs. “doesn’t matter.” I need to remember that for my physics class tomorrow. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Drastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Drastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drastic)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2001, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-phi-theory/92076/15 "2001-11-08T00:59:49Z")
There’s always room for jello. The sort of phi I’ve always found to be a lot more interesting is the phenomenon in cognitive perception studies. A dot of one color is flashed by some sort of apparatus, and then a number of milliseconds later, a dot of another color, a short distance away. The nifty thing is, people perceive a single dot, moving quickly between the points, and changing color at the halfway point–where no dot was ever displayed. Doubtless, that sort of oddity of perceptual trickery is explained if we could only grasp this…whatever it is. It makes me think of Bucky Fuller’s “Synergetics,” only written by someone with a PCP drip permanently installed into his cortex, and who probably never came up with anything practical like geodesic construction. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2001, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-phi-theory/92076/16 "2001-11-08T01:00:08Z")
I’ve read the Op 4 times. Your points don’t follow one from the other. You’ve made up names for phenomena which already have names. And, the whole point of quantum mechanics (of which I know very little, but aspire) is that the same rules of the macro universe do not apply to quanta and vice cersa. That’s why they are so difficult to determine. You are immediately making the rather severe error of ommitting this consideration in your theory and assuming that the rules of quanta apply to the macro world. Which is provably false unless you are willing to provide me with some macro universe jello or donuts with compassion and self-determination. ---
**Author:** ![Freyr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/freyr/32/5763_2.png) [@Freyr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freyr)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2001, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-phi-theory/92076/17 "2001-11-08T01:01:13Z")
\*\*Hiyruu wrote: 1. In a unified field everything is waves moving about in a universal jello of particle/waves. 2. In that universal jello or “ether” the only self-organizing shape is the donut or smoke rings or torus. 3. Those donuts or vortex pairs arrange themselves like trumpets into the faces of the platonic solids, and this is called the atomic table (matter).\*\* Well, there’s your problem right there, putting ether, donuts and trumpets in universal jello! You need miniature marshmellows, carrots sticks and marachino cherries! And your flavor of universal jello matters, too! Are you using orange, lime, cherry or watermelon? Someone get **Chef Troy** in here with a good dessert cookbook! On a slightly more serious note, I agree with **Mighty Maximino**. Give us something we can tangible about this theory, predicitions that match observable phenomenon. ---
**Author:** ![Dave\_Stewart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e274bd/32.png) [@Dave\_Stewart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dave_Stewart)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2001, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-phi-theory/92076/18 "2001-11-08T01:03:46Z")
> [@](#): > > a. self organizing > > b. self aware > > c. eck-static Sounds like what is going on in my dirty laundry basket. Those gym socks need a wash, damnit! Wasn’t the movie American Phi about > [@](#): > > 1. Perfect fractal or recursive or nestable or “embedable” symmetry is thus literally a test for pure intention ? ---
**Author:** ![robby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robby/32/11048_2.png) [@robby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robby)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2001, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-phi-theory/92076/19 "2001-11-08T01:12:13Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by panamajack \* > \*\*…Reading this stuff is so odd … it’s as if a computer had generated the phrases, but not quite, just a little too human, and yet not exactly what an absolute lunatic’s ravings would be. > > I skimmed through the article linked to in the OP. What’s odd is that the ‘Questioner’ appears to speak rationally and normally at first, but over time seems to lose it. Yet the answers maintain the gobbledygook phraseology throughout. \*\* I was struck by this as well. The “questioner” started off so rationally, but soon lapsed into ALL CAPS and INCOHERENCE, that is, GIBBERISH. Perhaps it’s contagious? And I may be naive, but this is exactly what I picture an absolute lunatic’s ravings are like. At least an absolute lunatic that can apparently type and put together a website. ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2001, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-phi-theory/92076/20 "2001-11-08T01:39:04Z")
In the OP, Hiyruu quoted Dan Winter’s article as saying: > [@](#): > > 1. Therefore gravity occurs BECAUSE the outer waves nest (electron for example on an atomic scale, or long wave ley lines on a planetary one) **LEY LINES?!** Well … even if the rest of the OP wasn’t already a load of Dingo’s Kidneys, this alone would automatically throw it into the Loony Bin. Ley lines are figments of overzealous New Agers’ imaginations: [http://www.skepdic.com/leylines.html](http://www.skepdic.com/leylines.html) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-phi-theory/92076.md?page=2)