# The Great Phi Theory. **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 7, 2001, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-phi-theory/92076 "2001-11-07T23:28:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2001, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-phi-theory/92076/21 "2001-11-08T01:48:23Z")
As a [member](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=58118) of the [Jell-O](http://www.kraftfoods.com/jell-o/world/storeframe.html)[sym]Ò[/sym] patrol, I shall be reporting your gross violation of the Jell-O[sym]Ò[/sym] name and trademark to the Jell-O[sub]tm[/sub] authorities. Your use of Jell-O[sym]Ò[/sym], an important and vital part of our nation’s economy not only violates copyright, damages the intellectual value as well as copyright of Jell-O[sub]tm[/sub], but by infringing on Jell-O[sym]Ò[/sym]'s good name with your crackpot theories, might very well upset the already fragile economy, thus undermining any HOPE for a quick recovery, thus \*bringing this mighty nation \* **to it’s knees!** Traitor. You will be hearing from Kraft Food[sym]ä[/sym]'s lawyers forthwith. In the meantime, how 'bout taking a [fun test](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=65881). I bet you score over 50. Go on. Take it. It’ll be FUN! Fenris BTW: Does anyone remember a product called Jell-O 1,2,3[sym]Ò[/sym]? It was essentially Jell-O[sym]Ò[/sym] that seperated into three layers, a normal Jell-O[sym]Ò[/sym]-y layer, a sort of creamy layer and a frothy layer on top. It was weird, but addictive. I’ve come close to duplicating it by putting Jell-O[sym]Ò[/sym] in the blender and whumping the bejezus out of it, but all I get is Jell-O[sym]Ò[/sym] 1,3. I can’t get the creamy layer…any suggestions? ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2001, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-phi-theory/92076/22 "2001-11-08T03:17:32Z")
Hey, Hiyruu…I’ve set your theories to song. Come over [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=97753) and take a look! Fenris ---
**Author:** ![Some\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/439d5e/32.png) [@Some\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Some_Guy)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2001, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-phi-theory/92076/23 "2001-11-08T03:33:19Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by robby \* > \*\* > > Hmm… So it’s “matter” vs. “doesn’t matter.” > I need to remember that for my physics class tomorrow. > > :rolleyes: \*\* What is mind? It doesn’t matter. What is matter? Never mind. :gd&r: ---
**Author:** ![erislover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/71e660/32.png) [@erislover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/erislover)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2001, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-phi-theory/92076/24 "2001-11-08T04:10:11Z")
There is no “æther.” You are aware of the experiments which demonstrated such, right? (Was it the Michaelson-Morley experiments? Anyone? Beuller?) ---
**Author:** ![Duck\_Duck\_Goose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/50afbb/32.png) [@Duck\_Duck\_Goose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duck_Duck_Goose)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2001, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-phi-theory/92076/25 "2001-11-08T04:16:27Z")
This is probably totally pointless, but I’ll say it anyway. **There’s no debate in the OP.** Helloooo? This is a “posted without comment” hit ‘n’ run. Not meaning to tell the mods their business, but aren’t all threads dealing with deep observations on Jello and/or donuts supposed to be posted in MPSIMS? [sub]fenris, i thought your “test” was going to be the naked jello wrestling test, but it wasn’t, and i can’t find it in the archives[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2001, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-phi-theory/92076/26 "2001-11-08T04:50:39Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Duck Duck Goose \* > \*\*This is probably totally pointless, but I’ll say it anyway. > > **There’s no debate in the OP.** Helloooo? This is a “posted without comment” hit ‘n’ run. Not meaning to tell the mods their business, but aren’t all threads dealing with deep observations on Jello and/or donuts supposed to be posted in MPSIMS? > \*\* Sorry to disagree on this point, **Duckie** , but it kind of is a debate…at least PHIyruu _will_ come back to debate his point, if his previous threads of this nature are any indication. If we allow (and we do) “EINSTEIN WAS WRONG!” threads in GD, as long as the Mods/Admins feel Phi-Rue isn’t trolling, I can’t see a better place for them. Think of it as witnessing and it might make some more sense. It also helps if you realize that a lot of what he seems (as far as I can tell) is proving that the soul is made up of vortex-trumpets in a golden spiral PHI ratio. And if we’re foolin’ around with the soul, then we’re firmly in GD territory! Fenris (I couldn’t find the Jell-O wrestling link either.) ---
**Author:** ![Jeu\_D\_esprit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/67e7ee/32.png) [@Jeu\_D\_esprit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jeu_D_esprit)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2001, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-phi-theory/92076/27 "2001-11-08T05:08:30Z")
What a great ECK-anar joke. The fun comes from reading serious responses. Hee-Har !!! Cheers ---
**Author:** ![Kaje](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f04885/32.png) [@Kaje](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kaje)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2001, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-phi-theory/92076/28 "2001-11-08T05:55:41Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by erislover \* > \*\*There is no “æther.” You are aware of the experiments which demonstrated such, right? (Was it the Michaelson-Morley experiments? Anyone? Beuller?) \*\* seriously…mysterious ethers are _so_ middle-ages. Go sulk in a monastery if all you want to do is wildly speculate with no intention of making sure your theories are consistent with each other or, more importantly, the real world. Or better yet, read a book… doesn’t even matter which one… Hell I bet you’d get a better understanding of physical laws from “Go dog go” than those [delusions](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=97616) you seem so fond of. ---
**Author:** ![Hiyruu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/7bcc69/32.png) [@Hiyruu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hiyruu)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2001, 6:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-phi-theory/92076/29 "2001-11-08T06:06:27Z")
Actually, perhaps this thread should be moved to the “opinions” forum, it was meant to give an introduction to the hypothesis, which would set the ground work for a possible debate at a later date. ---
**Author:** ![sturmhauke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e47c2d/32.png) [@sturmhauke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sturmhauke)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2001, 11:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-phi-theory/92076/30 "2001-11-08T11:14:33Z")
Hiyruu, dude, your source needs to lay off the Circus Peanuts. Universal Jello? Holograms inside my head? _Erotic gravity relations?_ Tell me, do you really believe this stuff or are you playing a joke? ---
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2001, 11:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-phi-theory/92076/31 "2001-11-08T11:40:28Z")
Hiyruu… the biggest flaw in all your theories is this: _ **How do we test them?** _ How do we figure out if your theories are accurate or not? What evidence do you have that your theory is so? If you have no evidence, then there is no significance to the theory. ---
**Author:** ![TwistofFate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@TwistofFate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwistofFate)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2001, 12:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-phi-theory/92076/32 "2001-11-08T12:10:24Z")
whoo Dude, I have to say, your ideas intrigue me, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. Hiyruu, your “science” has no corroberating evidence, no testable phenomena, and no visible results. As a result of this, it does not stand up to existing physics. I have read pretty much all of your threads about Phi. I have given up trying to explain using proper science that the theories you have presented are impossible. So I am about to do something I never thought I would do. I will debate you on a level playing field. I propose the following conditions. 1. As long you do not reference Dan Winter, I will not reference the scientific community. 2. Do not expect me to accept any axioms. explain any corellations you use, and show your work. I will attempt to do the same. 3. I will use the basic rules of physics. You can use the basic rules of your theory set out above. Do we have a deal? ---
**Author:** ![Miaowara\_Tomokato](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@Miaowara\_Tomokato](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miaowara_Tomokato)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2001, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-phi-theory/92076/33 "2001-11-08T15:25:23Z")
…was a nostalgia for the Cannabis of yesteryear. [ul]Fear leads to Anger Anger leads to Stress Stress leads to Doobies And Doobies lead to Twinkies.[/ul]Be honest. Did you recheck this thread after you sobered up? Are you embarrassed? ---
**Author:** ![Duck\_Duck\_Goose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/50afbb/32.png) [@Duck\_Duck\_Goose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duck_Duck_Goose)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2001, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-phi-theory/92076/34 "2001-11-08T15:26:05Z")
> [@](#): > > Actually, perhaps this thread should be moved to the “opinions” forum, it was meant to give an introduction to the hypothesis, which would set the ground work for a possible debate at a later date. Neener neener, Fenris. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2001, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-phi-theory/92076/35 "2001-11-08T15:38:01Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Duck Duck Goose \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > Actually, perhaps this thread should be moved to the “opinions” forum, it was meant to give an introduction to the hypothesis, which would set the ground work for a possible debate at a later date. > > Neener neener, Fenris. 😛 \*\* OH YEAH? Well your muddah wears ARMY boots! And Phiyruu only said that because he was mad at me for the song I posted. O’course he’s gonna take your side. You’re not fair! I’m taking my ball and going home! Fenris (And I still say this counts as witnessing. If I do an ATMB thread, **DDG** it’s because I’m actually curious as to this point.) ---
**Author:** ![scotth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b9e5f3/32.png) [@scotth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scotth)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2001, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-phi-theory/92076/36 "2001-11-08T17:03:17Z")
Hiyruu I suggest switching brands of toilet paper and see if you can still post this with a straight face next week. Even in the heights of a complete LSD bender, I don’t think this would make sense or seem important. That is setting the bar low indeed. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2001, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-phi-theory/92076/37 "2001-11-08T17:29:29Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by erislover \* > \*\*There is no “æther.” You are aware of the experiments which demonstrated such, right? (Was it the Michaelson-Morley experiments? Anyone? Beuller?) \*\* Ether is VERY real. I and every other Son(I prefer the term Etherist) know this. However, the GreyFaces, voted to remove Ether from the consensus. ``` They proceeded to attack Ether on two fronts. First, their scientists spread theories (such as relativity) that conflicted with, and seemingly disproved, Ether. Second, the Cabal Of Pure Thought, currently known as The New World Order, released pseudoscientific ramblings made to appear as defending the Ether. This discredited us still further. ``` For accurate information on Ether and our Tradition- [http://www.paradigmaonline.com](http://www.paradigmaonline.com) ``` My own experiments have proven that there is a direct connection between mind and the nature of the quantum foam. The OP, however, seems to have no true grasp of this relationship or, indeed, the very nature of Ether itself. Ether is NOT the quantum foam. If the QF is Jell-O (and my research has shown many startling similarities. Quantum Entanglement is roughly analogous to the double-grape-matrix), then the Ether is whipped cream overlaying that Jell-O. ``` Some truly intriguing applications of Jell-O were developed by Professor Norton Nimnull. Due to a vast Conspiracy to surpress his work, Nimnull is unable to publish openly. Instead, he presented his idead through the medium of a Disney cartoon series, Chip And Dale Rescue Rangers. Although, the specifics of his seismic Jell-O-Fruit-Quake are not given on the show, it is an earthshaking idea. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2001, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-phi-theory/92076/38 "2001-11-08T17:54:29Z")
And the award for “Worst Use of Too Much Time On One’s Hands by an Otherwise Semi-Rational Person” goes to (the envelope, please): > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Scylla \* > I’ve read the Op 4 times. ::_flees_:: ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2001, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-phi-theory/92076/39 "2001-11-08T18:05:08Z")
I have MUCH more time on my hands than Scylla. Oh,…waitaminnut…you said rational. Nevermind. ``` Fenris, could the creamy layer have been Jell-O pudding mixed with dehydrated milk? Thus, you would only need to add water. ``` HereYou-What has the Hebrew alphabet got to do with this? ---
**Author:** ![jab1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ee7513/32.png) [@jab1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jab1)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2001, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-phi-theory/92076/40 "2001-11-08T21:47:25Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Hiyruu \* > \*\*Actually, perhaps this thread should be moved to the “opinions” forum, it was meant to give an introduction to the hypothesis, which would set the ground work for a possible debate at a later date. \*\* So why, pray tell, did you not post it in IMHO in the first freakin’ place? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-phi-theory/92076.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-phi-theory/92076.md?page=3)