# The Great Phi Theory. **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 7, 2001, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-phi-theory/92076 "2001-11-07T23:28:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![bonzer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/45deac/32.png) [@bonzer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bonzer)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2001, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-phi-theory/92076/41 "2001-11-08T22:30:05Z")
> [@](#): > > So why, pray tell, did you not post it in IMHO in the first freakin’ place? Because there was nothing humble about it? ---
**Author:** ![sturmhauke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e47c2d/32.png) [@sturmhauke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sturmhauke)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2001, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-phi-theory/92076/42 "2001-11-08T23:54:16Z")
DocCathode, it is obvious to me that you are too absorbed in the physical world. You must learn to reach out through Spirit, perhaps in the wild parts of the Umbra will you find truth and contentment. ---
**Author:** ![Kaje](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f04885/32.png) [@Kaje](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kaje)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2001, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-phi-theory/92076/43 "2001-11-09T00:22:36Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by sturmhauke \* > \*\*DocCathode, it is obvious to me that you are too absorbed in the physical world. You must learn to reach out through Spirit, perhaps in the wild parts of the Umbra will you find truth and contentment. \*\* The Umbra certainly lead me to truth and contentment…and they make great soccer equipment too. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2001, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-phi-theory/92076/44 "2001-11-09T00:43:20Z")
[QUOTE] \*Originally posted by DocCathode \* \*\* > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by erislover \* > \*\* This discredited us still further._\* Reality deviant… ---
**Author:** ![heresiarch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/278dde/32.png) [@heresiarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/heresiarch)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2001, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-phi-theory/92076/45 "2001-11-09T02:39:16Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Fenris \* > \*\*BTW: Does anyone remember a product called Jell-O 1,2,3[sym]Ò[/sym]? It was essentially Jell-O[sym]Ò[/sym] that seperated into three layers, a normal Jell-O[sym]Ò[/sym]-y layer, a sort of creamy layer and a frothy layer on top. It was weird, but addictive. I’ve come close to duplicating it by putting Jell-O[sym]Ò[/sym] in the blender and whumping the bejezus out of it, but all I get is Jell-O[sym]Ò[/sym] 1,3. I can’t get the creamy layer…any suggestions? \*\* You are using Universal Jell-O[sym]Ò[/sym], right? Maybe you just need to add some Quantum Foam[sym]Ò[/sym]. **WARNING!** Don’t freeze Jell-O 1,2,3[sym]Ò[/sym] or you’ll get **Ice 9**! **Ice 9** is very dangerous. Always boil **Ice 9** before you dispose of it! ---
**Author:** ![Dave\_Stewart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e274bd/32.png) [@Dave\_Stewart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dave_Stewart)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2001, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-phi-theory/92076/46 "2001-11-09T02:56:48Z")
Hey Hiryuu, pass me that spliff, man… ---
**Author:** ![scotth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b9e5f3/32.png) [@scotth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scotth)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2001, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-phi-theory/92076/47 "2001-11-09T04:45:31Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Hiyruu \* > \*\* > > 1. In a unified field everything is waves moving about in a universal jello of particle/waves. > \*\* hmmm… already self contradicted. everything is waves, but… a jello made out of particle/waves. > [@](#): > > \*\* > > 1. In that universal jello or “ether” the only self-organizing shape is the donut or smoke rings or torus. > > 2. Those donuts or vortex pairs arrange themselves like trumpets into the faces of the platonic solids, and this is called the atomic table (matter). > > (1,3cube,5dodec,7icos donut vortex pair make 2,6,10,14 electron-s,p,d,f subshells:all matter) > > Also, the self organizing Spiral which delineates the self organizing 7 color map moebius on the surface of that same donut, viewed from the symmetry of the tetrahedron is the Hebrew alphabet. Letter’s are merely elements of spin symmetry, which by virtue of being perfectly embedded , allow the hologram inside your head to phase entrain the denser hologram (matter) outside. > \*\* If the ONLY self organizing shape is the donut (see 2), I guess there is no such thing as a self organizing spiral. I guess that rules out the Hebrew alphabet too, damn. > [@](#): > > \*\* > > 1. When a wave in this jello or ether moves in a line it is called energy, when the same wave is “sucked” into a circle, the slight gyroscopic > resistance to change of position, is called “matter”. In physics, INERTIA stored is the ONLY definition of mass. The wave moving in a circle > creates matter (as opposed to “doesn’t matter”.) > > This is called quantum mechanics, because elements of the wave spin can only stand still when meeting themselves from opposing directions. > This separates the jello or ether into packets or envelopes of waves, storing spin inertia. So “the creator” (fractal attraction) is the principle of > self-reference (self/awareness) which steered the wave into the circle, from the line. I am that I am. > \*\* I’ve got to ask this… Do you know what a fractal is? What does fractal have to do with attraction other than you put the two words near each other in your sentence? Does this suggest that every wave construction is sentient? I will stop here, I assume that the lower points rest on the upper points being true? Lets clear these up first. Wait, wait… I’ve got it… Back to the Hebrew letters for a minute. All you have to do to COMPLETELY convert me to your wacky ideas is this: Describe some/any experiment that I can perform where I will actually SEE the Hebrew alphabet. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2001, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-phi-theory/92076/48 "2001-11-09T05:02:13Z")
Can **I** too post a site full of drooling nonsense and meaningless manufractured buzzwords and have people like Hiyruu proselytize for me? 'Cos I have some great ideas about clams . . . ---
**Author:** ![Dijon\_Warlock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a9a28c/32.png) [@Dijon\_Warlock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dijon_Warlock)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2001, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-phi-theory/92076/49 "2001-11-09T05:23:01Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by scotth \* > \*\*Wait, wait… I’ve got it… Back to the Hebrew letters for a minute. All you have to do to COMPLETELY convert me to your wacky ideas is this: Describe some/any experiment that I can perform where I will actually SEE the Hebrew alphabet. \*\* Aw, man…you should check out [this site](http://www.meru.org). It will all come together for you: [Golden Mean Spirals](http://www.meru.org/goldmean.html), [Seven Color Toroidal Maps](http://www.meru.org/Torus4Apndix/Appendix.html), and yes…even [the Hebrew Alphabet](http://www.meru.org/Press/Atlantisrising.html). Don’t know if he’s on to something or not, but the website’s a trip. Heavy on the graphics, though. Enjoy. ---
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2001, 11:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-phi-theory/92076/50 "2001-11-09T11:03:27Z")
I’m still waiting for Hiyruu to explain how one is supposed to examine/prove his theory. I wasn’t being rhetorical when I asked. I really want to know exactly how he intends to gather evidence for his notions. ---
**Author:** ![Dijon\_Warlock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a9a28c/32.png) [@Dijon\_Warlock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dijon_Warlock)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2001, 11:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-phi-theory/92076/51 "2001-11-09T11:19:39Z")
I have a hunch you’ll have to wait quite a while for that. I’m still waiting for him to explain what the n stood for in his Grand Equation: G = C [sym]F[/sym][sup]n[/sup]. Haven’t gotten an answer out of him for that one either. ---
**Author:** ![Hiyruu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/7bcc69/32.png) [@Hiyruu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hiyruu)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2001, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-phi-theory/92076/52 "2001-11-09T18:47:05Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Dijon Warlock \* > \*\*I have a hunch you’ll have to wait quite a while for that. I’m still waiting for him to explain what the n stood for in his Grand Equation: G = C [sym]F[/sym][sup]n[/sup]. Haven’t gotten an answer out of him for that one either. \*\* The ‘n’ refers to an _nth_ power. ---
**Author:** ![scotth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b9e5f3/32.png) [@scotth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scotth)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2001, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-phi-theory/92076/53 "2001-11-09T19:12:59Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Hiyruu \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by Dijon Warlock \* > > \*\*I have a hunch you’ll have to wait quite a while for that. I’m still waiting for him to explain what the n stood for in his Grand Equation: G = C [sym]F[/sym][sup]n[/sup]. Haven’t gotten an answer out of him for that one either. \*\* > > The ‘n’ refers to an _nth_ power. \*\* Damn, we can read math! What PARAMETER dictates what n should be? If n isn’t tied to something, there will always be a solution. If each and every VARIABLE in a formula isn’t tied to a PHYSICAL concept, it is NOT a physic formula, it is just a math excercise. So, what do n refer to? ---
**Author:** ![scotth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b9e5f3/32.png) [@scotth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scotth)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2001, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-phi-theory/92076/54 "2001-11-09T19:15:52Z")
that should read: “NOT a physics formula” and, “what does n refer” ---
**Author:** ![AndrewL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@AndrewL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AndrewL)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2001, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-phi-theory/92076/55 "2001-11-09T20:14:16Z")
You still haven’t answered the key questions, Hryuu. What measurable real-world effects does your Phi theory predict? What experiment can we perform to distinguish between your physics theory and conventional ones? Unless you can answer those, you don’t have a physics theory. You have theology. ---
**Author:** ![zut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zut/32/2875_2.png) [@zut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zut)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2001, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-phi-theory/92076/56 "2001-11-09T20:31:01Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Dijon Warlock \* > I have a hunch you’ll have to wait quite a while for that. I’m still waiting for him to explain what the n stood for in his Grand Equation: G = C [sym]F[/sym][sup]n[/sup]. Well, I’d like to know what **G** and **C** stand for, for that matter. Last I knew, they were “gravity” and “light.” What _units_, man? ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2001, 5:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-phi-theory/92076/57 "2001-11-10T05:59:57Z")
A colleague of mine found this in a PhD dissertation: > [@](#): > > Vedic mathematics with florescence systems of sunlight works out the universal set of Human Beings as a set of individualistic displays within Human frame which is flourishable as a noble set of processes into which the Human frame is flourishable consists of a processing-process, a flourishing process, a channelizing process, and a fountaining process. This is Purusha Vidya, the Mathematics of Eternal Paths within human frame. Vedic Mathematics works its out within a six dimensional domain. Perhaps not quite in **Hiryuu** ’s league, but IMHO a worthy contender. ---
**Author:** ![Hiyruu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/7bcc69/32.png) [@Hiyruu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hiyruu)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2001, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-phi-theory/92076/58 "2001-11-10T06:32:42Z")
‘n’ is variable, it can have any value, this is because of the nature of the Phi power series. Gravity=Light\*Phi Power^n Here is an explanation of the equation G=C\*PHI^n [http://www.soulinvitation.com/MCSQUARED/mcsquared.html](http://www.soulinvitation.com/MCSQUARED/mcsquared.html) **Gravity is Recursive Light** ---
**Author:** ![Hiyruu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/7bcc69/32.png) [@Hiyruu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hiyruu)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2001, 6:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-phi-theory/92076/59 "2001-11-10T06:39:35Z")
Here is the quote of interest from the above referenced article. > [@](#): > > (Russian) Handbook of Physics, by Yavorsky & Detlaf, MIR Publishers, Moscow. > > p 650: 32.8.1. According to the special theory of relativity, the velocity v of an electron cannot exceed c, the velocity of light in a vacuum. But if an electron (or another charged particle: proton, meson, etc.) moves ina medium with a refractive index n, its velocity may turn out to be greater than the phase velocity of light, in the given medium. In this case an electromagnetic radiation is observed that is called Vavilov-Cherenkov radiation. This is similar to the Mach sonic shock wave developed when bodies travel at velocities greater than the phase velocities of elastic waves in the given medium. 32.8.2. Vavilov-Cherenkov radiation, appearing at each small interval of the electron’s path, is propagated along the elements of a cone… > > this authors note: if that cone were the wave geometry of recursive embedding… > > then the wave harmonics would recur non-destructively imploding into the phenomenon crudely labeled gravity. ---
**Author:** ![Kaje](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f04885/32.png) [@Kaje](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kaje)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2001, 9:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-phi-theory/92076/60 "2001-11-10T09:27:51Z")
from that webpage: > [@](#): > > This is more useful than learning that E=MC^2 because it enables us: > > To design the perfect magnetic monopole to create electrical current from gravity alone. > > To stabilize the magnetic fields of planets into the geometry of PHI recursion, stabilizing gravity, and restoring our hold on atmosphere. Reorganizing the long wave schumann earth magnetic field harmonics into the Powers of PHI ratios of embedding will also make Earth’s climate self-organizing and emerge from chaos. (Since PHI is the only self organizing path from chaos to fractality in general.) > > To similarly re-organize the magnetic field of brain waves into recursion, eliminating addiction and attention deficit. > > To finish the design of fusion, scalar, non-hertzian, non-linear, zero point etc… devices knowing that they will be optimized in the wave geometry of PHI embedding. > > We know now that compassion and love in the EKG are exactly this invitation by PHI harmonic to allow charge to embed. This permits us to take responsibility for the role of emotion in creating and stabilizing gravity, because we can now understanding phisically how compassion creates a centering force. So they DO apparently make some hypotheses/predictions… Except that the ones that don’t sound like complete crap (the role of emotion in stabilizing gravity… nice one) would presumably be under way, and that doesn’t seem to be the case. I haven’t heard too much about magnetic monopoles lately anyway. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-phi-theory/92076.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-phi-theory/92076.md?page=4)