# The Great Phi Theory. **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 7, 2001, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-phi-theory/92076 "2001-11-07T23:28:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![sturmhauke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e47c2d/32.png) [@sturmhauke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sturmhauke)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2001, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-phi-theory/92076/81 "2001-11-12T05:51:40Z")
Hiyruu, there’s no need to be rude, we all know what powers are. What I want to know is, what is this crap about “phi times itself or divided by itself yields itself”? You have said phi = 1.618. phi/phi = 1, phi[sup]2[/sup] = 2.617924, neither result is phi. This statement would be true if phi = 1, but that would be pretty useless. While you’re at it, how about explaining these: nautical mile grid second relationship between Platonic solids and atomic table hologram inside your head (???) phase entrain map moebius vortex pair ---
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2001, 6:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-phi-theory/92076/82 "2001-11-12T06:12:09Z")
> [@](#): > > ‘n’ IS NOT A FIXED VALUE!!! DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT A POWER IS IN MATHEMATICS?? I sure do. And I never said that “n” was a fixed value. But “n” can NOT have an _arbitrary_ value for your equation to be of any worth. There needs be some method of figuring out exactly what decides the value of “n”. > [@](#): > > If I were to write A^n, do you know what that means? If A=2, and n=3, the answer is 8, (2x2x2). There, you just learned powers. Thank you. Now I will teach you how to apply mathematics to the Real World. To use your example: A is the number of apples per tree, n is the number of apple trees growing in an orchard. If you have A number of apples per n number of trees, you will end up with a certain value (x). Ergo - A\*n=x. To continue… say we have 2 apples per tree, and 3 trees, that gives a total of 8 apples (Z\*n=x). See? _ **We do not arbitrarily apply numbers to fill in the variables when attempting to apply a mathematical formula to the real world** _. So tell me, for the fourth time… _ **How do you determine what ‘n’ is in your formula above?** _ Or do you apply a random number? ---
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2001, 6:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-phi-theory/92076/83 "2001-11-12T06:14:26Z")
Forgiveness is asked over my typo: > [@](#): > > To continue… say we have 2 apples per tree, and 3 trees, that gives a total of 8 apples (Z\*n=x). Of course I meant, in the equation at the end of the sentence, to type A\*n=x. ---
**Author:** ![jovan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/0ea827/32.png) [@jovan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jovan)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2001, 8:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-phi-theory/92076/84 "2001-11-12T08:32:11Z")
> [@](#): > > _Hiyruu said:_ > **I have stumbled upon an unrecognized genius, and must translate it all for you.** > > _And also. . ._ > **How can I be more specific?** **Hiyruu** , how can you be any _less_ specific? I read this whole thread twice [sub]mostly for the one-liners, though…[/sub] and every single one of your so-called explanations reads like schizophrenic babble. From [this site:](http://www.world-schizophrenia.org/publications/20-warnings.html) > [@](#): > > Below is a list of warning signs that suggest the onset of schizophrenia. (…) > **Undue preoccupation with spiritual or religious matters > Bizarre behaviour** > Inappropriate laughter > Strange posturing > Low tolerance to irritation > **Excessive writing without apparent meaning** > Inability to express emotion > **Irrational statements > Peculiar use of words or language structure > Conversation that seems deep but is not logical or coherent** > Staring > \*\*Vagueness \*\* I invite everyone to take a look at the author of your quote’s [resume](http://phoenix.akasha.de/~aton/CV.html), I think it speaks for itself. How are we supposed to take seriously a man who: 1)Claims to have \*\*met with non-localised quantum selves, or Ultraterrestrial Interdimensional Intelligences who call themselves Emmanuel. \*\* 2)Who taught him **the translation of our biological body back into its vacuum hyperspatial Original Light Body form.** 3)And yet, doesn’t seem to know who Opal is. 4)Has uncovered yet _another_ **UFO conspiracy**. LOL! There’s tons more, but I started to feel my sanity slipping away and had to stop reading. Several posters have already asked you simple, yet fundamental questions, and you have chosen to ignore them. Instead, you lectured everyone on powers. :rolleyes: I do not have a phd in physics, math or biology (not even a b.s.) and yet, I can understand the **logic** behind relativity and quantum mechanics. Same goes for the logistic equation, or the mechanisms of RNA. The key word, here is **logic**. I would really like you to reply to the questions that have been brought forward (the serious ones at least). But please, for Emmanuel’s sake, use **logic**! My advice: life is long. You are young. There is an old cliché in the arts that goes: “Know the rules before you break them.” Go to college (assuming you aren’t there already), get a b.s. in physics, and while you’re there why not a masters, even a phd? Then, when you have fully understood all the rules try to prove them wrong. (That is, assuming you still consider them wrong.) ---
**Author:** ![sturmhauke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e47c2d/32.png) [@sturmhauke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sturmhauke)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2001, 10:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-phi-theory/92076/85 "2001-11-12T10:00:50Z")
BS = Bachelor of Science. b.s. = bullshit. I leave you to draw your own conclusions. ---
**Author:** ![jovan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/0ea827/32.png) [@jovan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jovan)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2001, 10:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-phi-theory/92076/86 "2001-11-12T10:07:40Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by sturmhauke \* > \*\*BS = Bachelor of Science. b.s. = bullshit. I leave you to draw your own conclusions. \*\* [sub]I guess I can’t count that as a typo, eh? …Hangs head in shame. (BTW, if you ask me, my BA is worth little more than b.s., but that’s another debate.)[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![Hiyruu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/7bcc69/32.png) [@Hiyruu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hiyruu)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2001, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-phi-theory/92076/87 "2001-11-12T18:14:28Z")
So, instead of making a sustainable counter-arguement, all you can do is attempt to ridicule someone with a “new-age” ideology. Science and “Metaphysics” can go together, Newton himself was also a “Mystic”, he was a Rosicrucian, an ancient order that goes back to the dynasty of Thutmose III. But I digress… In the equation G=C_PHI^n, the value G is dependent (variable). "C_PHI^n" describes light being bent recursivley into a phi-based vortex. Think of a light wave entering a tornado. ---
**Author:** ![sturmhauke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e47c2d/32.png) [@sturmhauke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sturmhauke)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2001, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-phi-theory/92076/88 "2001-11-12T18:41:22Z")
All right, forget the equation for the moment. There are a number of other questions you haven’t answered. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2001, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-phi-theory/92076/89 "2001-11-12T18:42:31Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Hiyruu \* > \*\*Science and “Metaphysics” can go together, Newton himself was also a “Mystic”, he was a Rosicrucian, an ancient order that goes back to the dynasty of Thutmose III. > \*\* Just to hijack, the Rosicrucians seem to go back to the 1600s. At least, that’s when we first find record of them. They made claims to go back to ancient Egypt, but most secret societies back then claimed ancient roots, and that probably can’t be taken seriously. ---
**Author:** ![BlackKnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/eb8c5e/32.png) [@BlackKnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlackKnight)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2001, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-phi-theory/92076/90 "2001-11-12T19:07:34Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Hiyruu \* > **So, instead of making a sustainable counter-arguement, all you can do is attempt to ridicule someone with a “new-age” ideology.** Why should they be expected to make a counter-argument when you haven’t even been able to supply an argument? There are many, many questions that you have ignored, and others that you’ve responded to without actually answering. Nobody is going to take you seriously if you just post a long quotation and don’t explain it at all. Please note that the purpose of explaining things is to make them clear, not opaque. ---
**Author:** ![Hiyruu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/7bcc69/32.png) [@Hiyruu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hiyruu)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2001, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-phi-theory/92076/91 "2001-11-12T19:57:36Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Captain Amazing \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by Hiyruu \* > > \*\*Science and “Metaphysics” can go together, Newton himself was also a “Mystic”, he was a Rosicrucian, an ancient order that goes back to the dynasty of Thutmose III. > > \*\* > > Just to hijack, the Rosicrucians seem to go back to the 1600s. At least, that’s when we first find record of them. They made claims to go back to ancient Egypt, but most secret societies back then claimed ancient roots, and that probably can’t be taken seriously. \*\* I happen to be a member of the moderm Rosicrusian order, so I think I would know. ---
**Author:** ![Hiyruu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/7bcc69/32.png) [@Hiyruu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hiyruu)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2001, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-phi-theory/92076/92 "2001-11-12T19:58:00Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Captain Amazing \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by Hiyruu \* > > \*\*Science and “Metaphysics” can go together, Newton himself was also a “Mystic”, he was a Rosicrucian, an ancient order that goes back to the dynasty of Thutmose III. > > \*\* > > Just to hijack, the Rosicrucians seem to go back to the 1600s. At least, that’s when we first find record of them. They made claims to go back to ancient Egypt, but most secret societies back then claimed ancient roots, and that probably can’t be taken seriously. \*\* I happen to be a member of the modern Rosicrucian order, so I think I would know. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2001, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-phi-theory/92076/93 "2001-11-12T20:20:32Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Hiyruu \* > \*\*I happen to be a member of the modern Rosicrucian order, so I think I would know. \*\* That explains my readings. Hiryuu is not a technomancer of any variety. He is a Chorister. ``` While some members of the Celestial Chorus are admirable people whose morality and genersosity are examples of humanity at its finest, not a one of them has a decent grasp of Science. Hiryuu, if you wish to proselytize for the Chorus, then do so. But, do it in the language of the Chorus-Lao Tse, Martin Luther, Maimonides, Jesus, or Gautma. Quantum mechanics, transinite matrices mathematics, physics, and advanced geometry are the languages of tehcnomancers. These tongues belong to we Etherists and to our esteemed coleagues the Virtual Adepts. Just as I would not attempt to give the sermon on the mount with my translkight-emmitting-diode-spacial-flux-transducing-wave generator, you should not attempt make physics and algebraic functions from your gospels. ``` ---
**Author:** ![Hiyruu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/7bcc69/32.png) [@Hiyruu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hiyruu)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2001, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-phi-theory/92076/94 "2001-11-12T20:28:13Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by DocCathode \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by Hiyruu \* > > \*\*I happen to be a member of the modern Rosicrucian order, so I think I would know. \*\* > > That explains my readings. Hiryuu is not a technomancer of any variety. He is a Chorister. > > ``` > While some members of the Celestial Chorus are admirable people whose morality and genersosity are examples of humanity at its finest, not a one of them has a decent grasp of Science. > > Hiryuu, if you wish to proselytize for the Chorus, then do so. But, do it in the language of the Chorus-Lao Tse, Martin Luther, Maimonides, Jesus, or Gautma. Quantum mechanics, transinite matrices mathematics, physics, and advanced geometry are the languages of tehcnomancers. These tongues belong to we Etherists and to our esteemed coleagues the Virtual Adepts. Just as I would not attempt to give the sermon on the mount with my translkight-emmitting-diode-spacial-flux-transducing-wave generator, you should not attempt make physics and algebraic functions from your gospels. ** > > ``` What are you blabbering about? ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2001, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-phi-theory/92076/95 "2001-11-12T20:30:29Z")
“translkight-emmitting-diode-spacial-flux-transducing-wave generator” Should of course read “TRANSLIGHT-emmitting-diode-spacial-flux-TRANSDUCTION-wave generator” ---
**Author:** ![Hiyruu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/7bcc69/32.png) [@Hiyruu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hiyruu)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2001, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-phi-theory/92076/96 "2001-11-12T20:47:16Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by DocCathode \* > \*\*“translkight-emmitting-diode-spacial-flux-transducing-wave generator” > > Should of course read “TRANSLIGHT-emmitting-diode-spacial-flux-TRANSDUCTION-wave generator” \*\* Umm…yeah. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2001, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-phi-theory/92076/97 "2001-11-12T20:55:26Z")
_Originally posted by Hiryuu_ **What are you blabbering about?** Don’t feign ignorance, Hiryuu. I accessed the Digital Web as promised. I then accessed the grid sector corresponding to the SDMB and took readings on you. The resulting data proves that you are a member of the Celestial Chorus. To wit my scanning device revealed- ``` 1 Graphing the activity of your frontal lobe and translating that sine function to a Jung algorithm produces a Khopranik-High waveform. 2 Spectroscopic analyses of both your neuroAvatarian composition and your Heisenbergian non-space give the result of Thavarar yellow and Evankrus blue. These colors are found only in Choristers. 3 While on the Web, I ran into my friend and collaborator, Sparks McKenzie. He is an accomplished Virtual Adept, and an all around great guy. Using his fuzzy logic, Mueller-Fokker AI software and my various information gathering devices, we created an imago of you. (Analyses of data yields a pattern. That pattern is a map for going from the known to the unknown. The complete map is an imago). I checked and triplechecked all steps of the process. The patterns and algorithms I used are correct. The imago created from them is correct. Ergo, all data contained in that imago is correct. The imago is a Chorister. Therefore, you are a chorister. ``` ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2001, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-phi-theory/92076/98 "2001-11-12T21:11:16Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Hiyruu \* > \*\*I happen to be a member of the modern Rosicrucian order, so I think I would know. \*\* Well, like I said, Rosicrucian myth places its origins back to ancient Egypt, but it probably started at the end of the 16th century and beginning of the 17th as part of a political and mystical Protestant movement. The Rose and Cross were part of Luther’s arms, and Naometria, which is the first work to use the term, is dated from 1603. The movement then seems to get folded into Speculative FreeMasonry, where it stays, until Freemasonry splits, and new founded groups adopt the term Rosicrucian, and the symbols of the rose and cross. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2001, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-phi-theory/92076/99 "2001-11-12T21:19:18Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by DocCathode \* > \*\* That explains my readings. Hiryuu is not a technomancer of any variety. He is a Chorister._\* Nah, he’s Hermetic, looks like. Doesn’t matter. Both you two are reality deviants. Come on over to the Technocratic Union, where you can do real science, and not that pseudo-scientific mumbo jumbo. ---
**Author:** ![robby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robby/32/11048_2.png) [@robby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robby)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2001, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-phi-theory/92076/100 "2001-11-12T21:22:51Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Hiyruu \* > \*\*What are you blabbering about? \*\* My question for you from the beginning. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Hiyruu \* > \*\*Umm…yeah. \*\* So now **you’re** rolling your eyes in disbelief?! This is too much. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-phi-theory/92076.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-phi-theory/92076.md?page=6)