# The Great Un-Fork Hillary Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [April 12, 2015, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458 "2015-04-12T00:17:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2015, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/341 "2015-04-25T16:51:52Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > “Honest” isn’t a binary thing. Is she more or less honest than most politicians? If you think she’s less, present some evidence – compare her honesty to other politicians. > > Or let me do it for you – [Hillary](http://www.politifact.com/personalities/hillary-clinton/) is significantly less dishonest than [Marco Rubio](http://www.politifact.com/personalities/marco-rubio/), [Mitt Romney](http://www.politifact.com/personalities/mitt-romney/), [John McCain](http://www.politifact.com/personalities/john-mccain/), [John Boehner](http://www.politifact.com/personalities/john-boehner/), and [Mitch McConnell](http://www.politifact.com/personalities/mitch-mcconnell/). Here’s the thing, and Republicans don’t seem to get it: pointing out bad stuff about Hillary Clinton is a losing game, because one of Mrs. Clinton’s core strategic messages, which the majority of the public has already signified agreement with, is “Yeah, but I’m not nearly as bad as the Republicans”. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2015, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/342 "2015-04-25T18:26:42Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > There wasn’t really anything wrong with Ryan as a running mate As a person, maybe not, we’ve seen worse. His ideology, reflected in his budget plans, oh yeah, a whole lot - well outside even the Republican mainstream. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2015, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/343 "2015-04-25T19:54:15Z")
> [@GrandWino](#): > > Let’s not forget “Bomb bomb bomb Iran.” That was a joke. Perhaps in bad taste, but it wasn’t meant to be serious. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2015, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/344 "2015-04-25T19:56:20Z")
He knew the mike was on. Just like Reagan knew it when he declared “My fellow Americans, I’m pleased to tell you today that I’ve signed legislation that will outlaw Russia forever. We begin bombing in five minutes.” ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2015, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/345 "2015-04-25T20:22:04Z")
[And btw](http://www.theonion.com/articles/man-pleased-to-find-most-of-his-mid90s-antihillary,38444/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_campaign=LinkPreview:Week1:Default), _Man Pleased To Find Most Of His Mid-’90s Anti-Hillary Rant Still Usable,_ says The Onion. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2015, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/346 "2015-04-25T23:22:26Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > He knew the mike was on. Just like Reagan knew it when he declared “My fellow Americans, I’m pleased to tell you today that I’ve signed legislation that will outlaw Russia forever. We begin bombing in five minutes.” You’re point bring… What? People don’t tell jokes when the mike is on? Yes, he knew the mike was on. He probably thought he was being clever. Who knows. But it was still a joke. A joke in bad taste, but a joke nonetheless. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2015, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/347 "2015-04-25T23:28:11Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > You’re point bring… What? People don’t tell jokes when the mike is on? That a politician _mature enough to be trusted with a senior executive position_ should know better. Was that really not obvious? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2015, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/348 "2015-04-25T23:32:51Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > You’re point bring… What? People don’t tell jokes when the mike is on? > > Yes, he knew the mike was on. He probably thought he was being clever. Who knows. But it was still a joke. A joke in bad taste, but a joke nonetheless. Humor…it is a difficult concept. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2015, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/349 "2015-04-26T15:05:27Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > That a politician _mature enough to be trusted with a senior executive position_ should know better. That’s an interesting opinion. > [@](#): > > Was that really not obvious? No. I don’t pretend to be able to read minds. That’s why I asked. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2015, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/350 "2015-04-26T15:17:42Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > That was a joke. Perhaps in bad taste, but it wasn’t meant to be serious. If you’re trying to be the commander in chief of the largest military in the world, there are some things you don’t fucking joke about. Not unless you’re an immature, entitled brat like McCain. How fucking funny do you think the Iranians found McCain’s feeble-minded attempt at humor? If Obama did nothing but save us from Presidents McCain and Romney, he should go on Mt. Rushmore. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2015, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/351 "2015-04-26T15:32:22Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > If you’re trying to be the commander in chief of the largest military in the world, there are some things you don’t fucking joke about. Not unless you’re an immature, entitled brat like McCain. How fucking funny do you think the Iranians found McCain’s feeble-minded attempt at humor? If Obama did nothing but save us from Presidents McCain and Romney, he should go on Mt. Rushmore. So, how about that Hillary Clinton? Is it time to un-fork her? ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2015, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/352 "2015-04-26T19:11:20Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > So, how about that Hillary Clinton? Is it time to un-fork her? What did you mean? If she is certain to win, is she “done” or is it only if she is bound to lose? I’d say she is certain to win, so it’s time to fork the clowns she has to run against. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2015, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/353 "2015-04-26T21:40:03Z")
I think he means that we should get back on topic. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2015, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/354 "2015-04-27T04:30:55Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > What did you mean? If she is certain to win, is she “done” or is it only if she is bound to lose? I’d say she is certain to win, so it’s time to fork the clowns she has to run against. No candidate polling at 45-46% against unknowns is certain to win anything. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2015, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/355 "2015-04-27T12:53:28Z")
Until you plug in the names of any Knowns. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2015, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/356 "2015-04-27T15:07:36Z")
There are no knowns to plug in yet, but we shall soon see. Latest polls: [http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest\_polls/](http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/) She trails Bush in Virginia, although she leads all the other candidates there by between 2 and 5 points. Hmm, Bush is pretty well known, and he’s leading in Virginia. Looks like a known was plugged in in a state that Obama won twice, and Clinton is apparently not going to win it. Too bad. Note the generic Congressional poll too. GOP +3. If that holds up, the GOP will GAIN seats, not lose them. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2015, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/357 "2015-04-27T16:21:50Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > There are no knowns to plug in yet, but we shall soon see. Latest polls: > > [http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest\_polls/](http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/) > > She trails Bush in Virginia, although she leads all the other candidates there by between 2 and 5 points. Hmm, Bush is pretty well known, and he’s leading in Virginia. Looks like a known was plugged in in a state that Obama won twice, and Clinton is apparently not going to win it. Too bad. > > Note the generic Congressional poll too. GOP +3. If that holds up, the GOP will GAIN seats, not lose them. LOL. A poll before the primary has even started has Bush slightly ahead of Clinton in Virginia, and that’s enough to say she’s not going to win it. Vintage **adaher**. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2015, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/358 "2015-04-27T16:57:32Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > She trails Bush in Virginia, although she leads all the other candidates there by between 2 and 5 points. Hmm, Bush is pretty well known, and he’s leading in Virginia. Looks like a known was plugged in in a state that Obama won twice, and Clinton is apparently not going to win it. Too bad. She trailed Bush in exactly one poll by less than the MOE. Clinton still leads in polling average. [Link.](http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/va/virginia_bush_vs_clinton-4003.html) ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2015, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/359 "2015-04-27T17:05:03Z")
Those other polls must all be skewed. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2015, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/360 "2015-04-27T19:37:28Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > LOL. A poll before the primary has even started has Bush slightly ahead of Clinton in Virginia, and that’s enough to say she’s not going to win it. Vintage **adaher**. I did not predict that Bush would win Virginia. Only noting that as of today, Clinton would not beat Bush in Virginia. Her poll standing is in free fall. We haven’t seen the bottom yet. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458.md?page=19)