# The Great Un-Fork Hillary Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [April 12, 2015, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458 "2015-04-12T00:17:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 44
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2015, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/861 "2015-08-05T14:55:13Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > I think that’s a misinterpretation of what happened in those elections. First, the fundamentals clearly favored Democrats. Second,\*\* their statements didn’t sink them. McCain not at all\*\*, and Romney only somewhat. The 47% comment was damaging, but whatever, that tactic will be used to beat a Democrat someday, so I’m not whining. What hurt really bad though was Todd Akin. Republicans solved that problem in 2014 and I don’t expect it’ll resurface in 2016. McCain cost himself the election with his poor performance during the financial crisis, **not by saying crazy things**. “The fundamentals of the economy are strong,” said while the economy was crashing like a 747 fueled by peanut butter, didn’t “sink” McCain?? REALLY??? It went a long way towards establishing just how out of touch he was with reality. As for Romney, “binders full of women” did him no favors. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2015, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/862 "2015-08-05T15:16:56Z")
> [@CaptMurdock](#): > > “The fundamentals of the economy are strong,” said while the economy was crashing like a 747 fueled by peanut butter, didn’t “sink” McCain?? REALLY??? It went a long way towards establishing just how out of touch he was with reality. > > As for Romney, “binders full of women” did him no favors. That was prolly my favorite quote from Mittens during that election. It just seems so surreal and desperate to me, I can’t help but Let’s go to the quarry and throw stuff down there. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2015, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/863 "2015-08-05T15:25:00Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > It just seems so surreal and desperate to me, I can’t help but Let’s go to the quarry and throw stuff down there. Speaking of surreal: you realize this quarry thing is going to sink any future presidential ambitions, right? ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2015, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/864 "2015-08-05T21:41:32Z")
It’s hard to tell whether McCain was sunk by “The fundamentals of the economy are strong”, or by his pick of Palin for VP, since they were so close together in time. But he was definitely sunk by one of those, or some combination, and in either case, it was his statements. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2015, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/865 "2015-08-05T22:05:29Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > It’s hard to tell whether McCain was sunk by “The fundamentals of the economy are strong”, or by his pick of Palin for VP, since they were so close together in time. But he was definitely sunk by one of those, or some combination, and in either case, it was his statements. If anything, the Palin pick gave him just about his only really bump of the campaign. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2015, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/866 "2015-08-05T22:10:49Z")
I thought McCain did himself in by suspending his campaign because of the fiscal crisis and then sitting in a corner pouting when the grownups were talking in the White House about what to do. That and being a worthless piece of shit in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2015, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/867 "2015-08-05T22:18:31Z")
> [@GrandWino](#): > > If anything, the Palin pick gave him just about his only really bump of the campaign. No one told him about Viagra? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2015, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/868 "2015-08-05T22:32:08Z")
Bob Dole certainly should have, being [a celebrity spokesperson](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBdgpjnKInA) for it in his post-campaign years. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2015, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/869 "2015-08-06T03:37:35Z")
Another poll confirms that Clinton is not doing well in NH, either against Sanders or against Republicans: [http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest\_polls/](http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/) She leads Trump, trails all other Republicans. We’re seeing a discrepancy now between swing state polls and national polls. EDIT: Oops, sorry, she leads Rubio as well, by 1. This isn’t the first set of NH polls showing her trailing Republicans either. It looks like her weakness in NH is pretty well established now, and NH is a state that went for Obama both times. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2015, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/870 "2015-08-06T03:52:26Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Another poll confirms that Clinton is not doing well in NH, either against Sanders or against Republicans: > > [http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest\_polls/](http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/) The margin of error is larger than the “lead” you’re crowing about. Looking at the details, it’s running 3.8. So a lead of +2 could be larger or actually behind. Bit early to be counting a win. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2015, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/871 "2015-08-06T03:56:16Z")
Who is counting a win? I just said “weakness”. NH is not ready for Hillary.🙂 I suspect it’s one of the few states where Sanders would probably do better in a general election. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2015, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/872 "2015-08-06T03:58:03Z")
Damning with faint prose. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2015, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/873 "2015-08-06T04:01:20Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Who is counting a win? I just said “weakness”. NH is not ready for Hillary.🙂 > > I suspect it’s one of the few states where Sanders would probably do better in a general election. Nothing is confirmed. She could very well be leading. Or she could be farther behind than the polls show. There’s no way to tell. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2015, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/874 "2015-08-06T23:17:38Z")
In any event, though, she’s certainly not leading by very much. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2015, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/875 "2015-08-06T23:22:59Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Damning with faint prose. God will get you for that, Walter. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/876 "2015-08-12T13:16:41Z")
Clinton does the right thing and turns over her private email server. Hopefully this is her turning over a new leaf and being more transparent. > **[Hillary Clinton to turn over private email server to Justice Department | CNN...](https://www.cnn.com/2015/08/11/politics/hillary-clinton-email-server-justice-department/index.html)** > > Hillary Clinton agrees to turn over her private email server to authorities; inspector general says at least five emails from the server contain classified info. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/877 "2015-08-12T14:12:17Z")
Or just taking away another of the Benghazi hyenas’ excuses. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/878 "2015-08-12T15:01:07Z")
Sanders ahead of Clinton in [Boston Herald/Franklin Pierce poll of New Hampshire](http://www.bostonherald.com/sites/default/files/media/2015/08/12/FPU-BH-0811-Dem.pdf). Time to panic? Not really. As Nate Silver pointed out a month ago, “[Bernie Sanders could win Iowa and New Hampshire. Then lose everywhere else.](http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/bernie-sanders-could-win-iowa-and-new-hampshire-then-lose-everywhere-else/)” ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/879 "2015-08-12T15:13:00Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Or just taking away another of the Benghazi hyenas’ excuses. You think the right are going to stop getting hysterical about Hillary and her emails? [Pull the other one, it’s got bells on…](http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/aug/11/andrew-napolitano/did-hillary-clinton-emails-reveal-location-ambassa/) > [@](#): > > Of course Hillary Clinton’s emails contained classified information, says Fox News legal analyst Andrew Napolitano. > > […] > > “I saw emails that have been revealed under the Freedom of Information Act,” Napolitano said. “And in them, she is discussing the location of French fighter jets during the NATO bombardment of Libya, how big the no-fly zone is, where the no-fly zones are, and are you ready for this? — the location of Ambassador Stevens, who of course was murdered, in Libya. If that is not classified — if she didn’t know that was classified, she has no business being in public office.” > [@](#): > > Napolitano said emails released to the public show Clinton discussed “the location of Ambassador Stevens, who of course was murdered, in Libya.” > > […] > > The context of Napolitano’s statement gives the impression that the emails contain information that would have been damaging if released, but it was widely noted in the media at the time that Stevens was in Benghazi, and on at least one occasion, reporters encountered him at the hotel where he was living and working. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/880 "2015-08-12T15:55:40Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > Sanders ahead of Clinton in [Boston Herald/Franklin Pierce poll of New Hampshire](http://www.bostonherald.com/sites/default/files/media/2015/08/12/FPU-BH-0811-Dem.pdf). Time to panic? Not really. As Nate Silver pointed out a month ago, “[Bernie Sanders could win Iowa and New Hampshire. Then lose everywhere else.](http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/bernie-sanders-could-win-iowa-and-new-hampshire-then-lose-everywhere-else/)” True, but let it be noted that I predicted that Clinton was going to lose New Hampshire.😃 And while it’s not time to panic, all it really shows is that Clinton can beat a non-Democrat in a Democratic primary campaign if she outspends him 10-1. But can she beat a real Democrat? Joe Biden? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458.md?page=43) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458.md?page=45)