# The Great Un-Fork Hillary Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [April 12, 2015, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458 "2015-04-12T00:17:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 46
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/901 "2015-08-12T18:32:38Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > And the REpublican nominee doesn’t have a very high bar to get over to be more popular than Clinton. And I think there’s a very good chance none of them will get there. > [@](#): > > Any of the likely Republicans can beat her on favorables pretty easily though. She’s in danger of falling below the major Republicans already. She currently stands at -6. That puts Walker, Rubio, Fiorina, and Carson above her. I’m very glad you think it’s easy. That makes me happy. I hope most Republicans think it will be easy too. > [@](#): > > The other problem is that you have to assume that the 2016 nominee will be a worse candidate than either McCain or Romney. How likely is that? Not saying they were horrible, but again, not a high bar to clear. Pretty likely, I think. I think all of the candidates on the stages recently are worse than McCain and Romney except for, possibly, Kasich. I think everyone else is worse – less charismatic, less intelligent, and less appealing, politically speaking. But we’ll see. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/902 "2015-08-12T18:44:27Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > The other problem is that you have to assume that the 2016 nominee will be a worse candidate than either McCain or Romney. How likely is that? Based on their performances so far? Very. If you disagree, why? ---
**Author:** ![DinoR](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dinor/32/2821_2.png) [@DinoR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DinoR)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/903 "2015-08-12T18:46:03Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Secondly, is Clinton a comeback candidate? I think not. You keep saying that. Your sample size is one. Once she got down to Obama by an amount that was probably unrecoverable she did show the ability to work from behind. The end of that nomination campaign was a pretty gritty effort IMO. I could claim that means she’s shown a record of learning when things aren’t working and adapting. Since she’s experienced I could expect her adaptation to happen quicker next time. I’d be talking out of my ass because… **sample size of one.** ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/904 "2015-08-12T18:49:07Z")
Can Clinton come back when she’s behind? Here’s what happened in New Hampshire in 2008: ```auto Poll Date Obama Clinton Edwards Richardson Spread RCP Average 01/05 - 01/07 38.3 30.0 18.3 5.7 Obama +8.3 Final Results 01/08 36.4 39.0 16.9 4.6 Clinton +2.6 ``` ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/905 "2015-08-12T18:50:16Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > Can Clinton come back when she’s behind? Here’s what happened in New Hampshire in 2008: > > ```auto > > Poll Date Obama Clinton Edwards Richardson Spread > RCP Average 01/05 - 01/07 38.3 30.0 18.3 5.7 Obama +8.3 > Final Results 01/08 36.4 39.0 16.9 4.6 Clinton +2.6 > > ``` Oh snap! ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/906 "2015-08-12T18:54:17Z")
I already knew that. She cried. Amazing what she can accomplish when she shows a little bit of genuineness. I’m not sure that just losing her composure is going to be enough. Voters have already seen it. If Clinton is to repeat her comeback, she needs to let down her guard permanently. You also forget that the polls just could have been plain wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/907 "2015-08-12T18:57:44Z")
Ah, the no true come back argument. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/908 "2015-08-12T19:02:20Z")
You haven’t even established that there was a comeback. Your numbers just show the polls being wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/909 "2015-08-12T19:05:57Z")
No true comeback double down! ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/910 "2015-08-12T19:06:16Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > You haven’t even established that there was a comeback. Your numbers just show the polls being wrong. Oh come on. You already said that if Bernie gets ahead in the NH polls you don’t think she’ll be able to comeback. Admit it – you forgot she was behind in NH in '08 (it’s okay – I forgot too). So she has such a “comeback” under her belt already. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/911 "2015-08-12T19:19:43Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > Ah, the no true come back argument. No true New Hampster puts jam on his pancakes. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2015, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/912 "2015-08-13T03:25:13Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Oh come on. You already said that if Bernie gets ahead in the NH polls you don’t think she’ll be able to comeback. Admit it – you forgot she was behind in NH in '08 (it’s okay – I forgot too). So she has such a “comeback” under her belt already. Actually I hadn’t. Comes from reading “Game Change” recently.🙂 And I stand by my prediction. Sanders is going to win NH, barring the entry of another candidate into the race. BTW, Sanders continues to steadily gain in Iowa: [http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/ia/iowa\_democratic\_presidential\_caucus-3195.html](http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/ia/iowa_democratic_presidential_caucus-3195.html) ---
**Author:** ![Lantern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d26b3c/32.png) [@Lantern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lantern)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2015, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/913 "2015-08-13T05:18:38Z")
Hillary’s net rating on HuffPo continues to fall and is at -7. Meanwhile Biden continues to improve and is at +2.5. The latest Gallup poll has him at +7. There should be a Hillary Gallup soon which will be an interesting comparison point. ---
**Author:** ![Xema](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/9de053/32.png) [@Xema](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xema)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2015, 6:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/914 "2015-08-13T06:27:46Z")
Biden needs to get rolling: [Things continue to get worse for Hillary](http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/08/12/this-e-mail-story-keeps-getting-worse-for-hillary-clinton/?tid=pm_politics_pop_b). ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2015, 6:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/915 "2015-08-13T06:29:49Z")
Biden is still undecided, according to reports, which tells me that he’s a) waiting to see where Clinton levels off, and b) waiting for the best moment to get a good bump. ---
**Author:** ![Xema](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/9de053/32.png) [@Xema](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xema)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2015, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/916 "2015-08-13T17:11:47Z")
Apropos of the DoJ/FBI investigation into classified info on Hillary’s private server, Clinton’s campaign spokesperson Jennifer Palmieri has sent out an email that contains this: > [@Palmieri](#): > > It’s worth noting many of the Republican candidates for president have done the same things for which they’re now criticizing Hillary. As Governor, Jeb Bush owned his own private server and his staff decided which emails he turned over as work-related from his private account. Bobby Jindal went a step further, using private email to communicate with his immediate staff but refusing to release his work-related emails. Scott Walker and Rick Perry had email issues themselves. This appears to gloss over / ignore the stunningly obvious point that among would-be presidential candidates, only Hillary had a job that involved handling classified documents subject to laws governing national security. This sort of transparently bogus spin bespeaks a level of desperation. ---
**Author:** ![Diceman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Diceman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diceman)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2015, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/917 "2015-08-13T18:41:16Z")
> [@Xema](#): > > Biden needs to get rolling: [Things continue to get worse for Hillary](http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/08/12/this-e-mail-story-keeps-getting-worse-for-hillary-clinton/?tid=pm_politics_pop_b). It’s even worse than that. Either Hillary, or someone in her inner cicle, [apparently removed the “Classified” markings from e-mails](http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/08/13/official-clinton-inner-circle-may-have-stripped-email-classification-markings/?intcmp=trending). If true, this would be a felony. Hillary’s going to have to find someone to throw under the bus, or it’ll be her that ends up trying to dodge the wheels. Aside: I normally don’t give much credience to the “Comment” section of articles, because about 99% of them are totally inane, but a few times now I’ve seen comments wondering whether Obama is actually orchestrating this to force Hillary out of the running, all the while smiling & acting like he’s above the fray. ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2015, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/918 "2015-08-13T19:16:43Z")
> [@Diceman](#): > > Aside: I normally don’t give much credience to the “Comment” section of articles, because about 99% of them are totally inane, but a few times now I’ve seen comments wondering whether Obama is actually orchestrating this to force Hillary out of the running, all the while smiling & acting like he’s above the fray. Not to dispute this, but why would he? What possible dog would have in this hunt? :dubious: For Biden’s sake? Can’t be for revenge… ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2015, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/919 "2015-08-13T20:32:53Z")
Why do you not think those are just part of the totally inane 99%? ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2015, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/920 "2015-08-13T20:40:38Z")
> [@Diceman](#): > > Either Hillary, or someone in her inner cicle, [apparently removed the “Classified” markings from e-mails](http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/08/13/official-clinton-inner-circle-may-have-stripped-email-classification-markings/?intcmp=trending). According to an anonymous leak to Fox News, whereas officials who aren’t hiding their identities say the emails were not marked classified. So this is only “apparent” to someone who believes Fox News citing anonymous officials over the reports of named officials. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458.md?page=45) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458.md?page=47)