# The Great Un-Fork Hillary Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [April 12, 2015, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458 "2015-04-12T00:17:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 61
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2015, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/1201 "2015-08-27T14:47:03Z")
> [@Richard\_Parker](#): > > Has she even said whether it was her idea? I wouldn’t be surprised if she was advised to do this by someone on her team looking forward to 2016. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2015, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/1202 "2015-08-27T14:49:43Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > The problem isn’t really with what’s actually there, but with how you people would misrepresent it, right? :dubious: She’s a _Clinton!_ There’d undoubtedly be plenty of underhanded shit to be found to begin with so no need for misrepresentation. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2015, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/1203 "2015-08-27T14:50:17Z")
Doubtful. If someone intelligent actually advised her to do this, they also would have advised letting the public know early on so that it’s “old news”. THe fact that she had a private account was going to come out, it was just a matter of when, and they should have dropped that nugget at a time of their choosing. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2015, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/1204 "2015-08-27T15:27:05Z")
[According to Bloomberg](http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-08-27/biden-more-competitive-than-clinton-against-leading-republicans-poll'), a Quinnipiac poll has Biden beating Trump by twice as many points as Hillary and has her at 7 points higher favorablity rating. I guess Bloomberg has joined the “vast right-wing conspiracy” as well? ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2015, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/1205 "2015-08-27T15:37:17Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > The problem isn’t really with what’s actually there, but with how you people would misrepresent it, right? :dubious: Let’s just keep the assumptions about other people’s motives and behaviors impersonal, shall we? ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2015, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/1206 "2015-08-27T16:07:38Z")
Matt Yglesias kind of encapsulates what I’m feeling with regards to the media here: > **[New poll showing Clinton beating everyone is reported as bad news for Hillary](https://www.vox.com/2015/8/27/9214461/clinton-poll-lead)** > > Vox is a general interest news site for the 21st century. Its mission: to help everyone understand our complicated world, so that we can all help shape it. In text, video and audio, our reporters explain politics, policy, world affairs, technology,... > [@](#): > > Two things are happening here. One is that “Clinton is still winning” is a boring headline, so there’s a tendency to grasp at straws to come up with something else. The other is that the press as a whole doesn’t like Clinton very much (and the feeling is mutual), so there’s a bias toward believing that the public feels the same way. So somehow her campaign is struggling even when it’s winning, and polls that show her winning are reported as showing her losing. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2015, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/1207 "2015-08-27T16:24:07Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Doubtful. If someone intelligent actually advised her to do this, they also would have advised letting the public know early on so that it’s “old news”. THe fact that she had a private account was going to come out, it was just a matter of when, and they should have dropped that nugget at a time of their choosing. True, but the Clintons have had such good success obscuring/hiding/destroying incriminating evidence and getting away with it I doubt if Hillary ever gave a moment’s thought to the question of what if news of the server got out. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2015, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/1208 "2015-08-27T16:30:01Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Which again, is no excuse. Public figures do not get to hide things from the public that the public has a right to know just because people who don’t like them will use it against them. > > She evaded FOIA, and the law should be changed immediately to encompass private email accounts used for public business. Those accounts should be regarded by law as de facto government accounts. One of the reasons why this is like “deja vu all over again” is that Clinton scandals have usually items that \*\*are \*\*a bit shady but that in the end, since the law can not be set retroactively, the Clintons usually do not have to admit any wrongdoing or the shady things were just not there as the media and partisans assume. This makes the spectacle of the Republicans bringing a bazooka to kill a fly (I’m talking about almost all Clinton “scandals” here) to look as a very unjust or a jerky move. That then makes many people realize how dictatorial the conservatives really are and in the end the Clintons look better than they should had been. In this case the implication is that no other result should come but to make private accounts to be available for even more attacks to be made, besides making a lot of people realize how overreaching that is, it is very unlikely that a law can be made to apply to an incident after the law is made. And I already know why partizans love to get a hold of personal messages: \*\*to make it easy for them to make the targets say things that are not as they seem. \*\* > **[Scientists Respond to "Climategate" E-Mail Controversy](https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/scientists-respond-to-climategate-controversy/)** > > Stolen e-mails and computer code do nothing to change average temperature trends, but they could damage climate researchers' credibility just when polls are showing public belief that greenhouse gases are warming the planet is ebbing ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2015, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/1209 "2015-08-27T17:16:28Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > True, but the Clintons have had such good success obscuring/hiding/destroying incriminating evidence and getting away with it Yes, the lack of evidence of their criminality is because they’re so good at hiding it. 😉 Have you ever considered another, simpler explanation? ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2015, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/1210 "2015-08-27T17:19:50Z")
[Running Dog Koch Supporters at the NY Times report that many in the Democrat’s leadership are getting fed up by Hillary’s snotty and dismissive\* responses to her email activities.](http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/28/us/politics/hillary-clintons-handling-of-email-issue-frustrates-democratic-leaders.html) > [@NY Times](#): > > A number of Democrats said in interviews that they were disturbed when Mrs. Clinton had joked that her Snapchat account messages “disappear all by themselves,” and had reacted peevishly to a reporter’s question about wiping her server. (“What, like with a cloth or something?” she had replied.) > > “Instead of flippant and smart-aleck comments, it would just be better to come clean in a straightforward way,” said Pat Cotham, a Democratic national committeewoman and county commissioner from North Carolina. \*My word choice, not theirs. As if you didn’t know that. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Lantern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d26b3c/32.png) [@Lantern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lantern)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2015, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/1211 "2015-08-27T17:25:29Z")
[http://www.quinnipiac.edu/news-and-events/quinnipiac-university-poll/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2274](http://www.quinnipiac.edu/news-and-events/quinnipiac-university-poll/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2274) The latest Quinnipiac poll is bad news for Hillary and has been widely reported. I believe this is the first poll where Biden does clearly better than her in head to heads against Republicans. He is +8 against Trump, +6 against Jeb and +3 against Rubio compared to +4,+2 and +1 for Hillary against them. Her favorability is -12 against +9 for Biden and she is -27 on honesty. I had a look at 538’s pollster [ratings](http://fivethirtyeight.com/interactives/pollster-ratings/)and Quinnipiac scored a pretty solid B+. And their Hillary favorability number at least is backed up by other quality polls. CNN (A- on 538) has her at -12 and NBC/WSJ (also A-) has her at -11. I don’t think there is any question that her favorability is tanking though it would be nice to have more polls on her honesty and swing state ratings. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2015, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/1212 "2015-08-27T17:28:31Z")
Has anyone asked the dog catcher for Larimer County Colorado? I think he’s a Democrat. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2015, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/1213 "2015-08-27T17:30:45Z")
> [@Lantern](#): > > I don’t think there is any question that her favorability is tanking though it would be nice to have more polls on her honesty and swing state ratings. You would be wrong. [Here’s the averages.](http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/08/26/1415688/-Hillary-Clinton-s-poll-numbers-haven-t-dropped-at-all-and-this-one-chart-proves-it) Essentially no change at all. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2015, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/1214 "2015-08-27T17:31:53Z")
> [@Richard\_Parker](#): > > Has anyone asked the dog catcher for Larimer County Colorado? I think he’s a Democrat. I don’t know. Why don’t you get on that right away, call him up and post his opinion here. We’ll all be eagerly awaiting your report! ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2015, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/1215 "2015-08-27T17:34:26Z")
> [@Fenris](#): > > I don’t know. Why don’t you get on that right away, call him up and post his opinion here. We’ll all be eagerly awaiting your report! On the one hand, this seems like sarcasm. On the other, the literal reading would be more consistent with your posts so far in the thread. ---
**Author:** ![Lantern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d26b3c/32.png) [@Lantern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lantern)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2015, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/1216 "2015-08-27T17:45:41Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > You would be wrong. [Here’s the averages.](http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/08/26/1415688/-Hillary-Clinton-s-poll-numbers-haven-t-dropped-at-all-and-this-one-chart-proves-it) Essentially no change at all. I was talking about her favorability which is [here](http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/hillary-clinton-favorable-rating). And I don’t see much point in aggregating head-to-heads against 10 Republican candidates when most of them are marginal. If you look at specific candidates like Jeb and Rubio her lead has definitely narrowed. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2015, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/1217 "2015-08-27T17:58:00Z")
> [@Richard\_Parker](#): > > On the one hand, this seems like sarcasm. On the other, the literal reading would be more consistent with your posts so far in the thread. And I know that deeply concerns you because you’re well known for your outspoken objections to people doing the same thing\* in threads about candidates you don’t like. Oh wait… \*With the caveat that I’m posting links to the NY Times, The Atlantic, NPR, Bloomberg, and other reputable sources and others post stuff from shady blogs. And that I’m actually interested in the Hillary e-mail thing as opposed to just spewing anything negative I find about candidates on the other side of the aisle. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2015, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/1218 "2015-08-27T18:04:13Z")
> [@Fenris](#): > > And I know that deeply concerns you because you’re well known for your outspoken objections to people doing the same thing\* in threads about candidates you don’t like. Oh wait… I have no idea what you’re trying to say here. The combination of the sarcasm and the innuendo just make it unintelligible. > [@Fenris](#): > > \*With the caveat that I’m posting links to the NY Times, The Atlantic, NPR, Bloomberg, and other reputable sources and others post stuff from shady blogs. And that I’m actually interested in the Hillary e-mail thing as opposed to just spewing anything negative I find about candidates on the other side of the aisle. I was gently ribbing you for pulling the quote from the state county commissioner. I don’t know what you’re on about with the rest of it. I thought this whole performance was about someone else’s suggestion that the email scandal was a right-wing plot, but it’s hard to say really. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2015, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/1219 "2015-08-27T18:05:35Z")
[[del]The dogcatcher from Larimer County, Colorado[/del]…Martin O’Mally says that Hillary’s emails are a serious concern.](http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/27/politics/hillary-clinton-emails-martin-omalley-2016/index.html) 😉 > [@](#): > > He called the email probe “very serious” and said that there are “legitimate questions” about whether she handled classified material on a non-government server. > > “These are serious and legitimate questions and Hillary Clinton and her lawyers will have to answer them,” he said. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2015, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/1220 "2015-08-27T18:09:53Z")
> [@Richard\_Parker](#): > > I have no idea what you’re trying to say here. The combination of the sarcasm and the innuendo just make it unintelligible. > > I was gently ribbing you for pulling the quote from the state county commissioner. I don’t know what you’re on about with the rest of it. I thought this whole performance was about someone else’s suggestion that the email scandal was a right-wing plot, but it’s hard to say really. I completely misunderstood you. I apologize for the confusion. I didn’t catch the ribbing, I thought you were seriously dismissing all the cites I’ve posted when I’ve tried to make a point to only link to reputable sites. Sorry again about that (and the other response if you saw it before I edited it). My sarcas-o-meter needs serious recalibration. 🙂 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458.md?page=60) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458.md?page=62)