# The Great Un-Fork Hillary Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [April 12, 2015, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458 "2015-04-12T00:17:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 62
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2015, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/1221 "2015-08-27T18:11:25Z")
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**Author:** ![Lantern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d26b3c/32.png) [@Lantern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lantern)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2015, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/1222 "2015-08-27T20:39:47Z")
HuffPo has added the latest Quinnipiac poll and Hillary now has the dubious distinction of an unfavorable rating above 50%. The last four polls show her above 50% unfavorable. To put this in context, Obama has never had an aggregate unfavorable rating above 50 though he came close in 2014. His worst before the 2012 election was 48%. Biden has never been above 50% either. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2015, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/1223 "2015-08-28T03:32:06Z")
Not only that, but she no longer has an electability advantage over either Sanders or Biden. So what exactly is the rationale for Clinton again? She’s the least experienced. And she’s polling the worst. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2015, 12:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/1224 "2015-08-28T12:04:38Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Not only that, but she no longer has an electability advantage over either Sanders or Biden. > > So what exactly is the rationale for Clinton again? She’s the least experienced. And she’s polling the worst. According to one poll, which includes a candidate who isn’t running. Once candidates decide to run, their numbers tend to go down. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2015, 12:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/1225 "2015-08-28T12:12:08Z")
That’s the second showing Biden doing better in general election matchups, actually. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2015, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/1226 "2015-08-28T12:48:40Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > That’s the second showing Biden doing better in general election matchups, actually. It’s still a tiny difference, and includes a candidate who isn’t running yet. Hillary was polling better before she started running too. That’s the nature of campaigning. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2015, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/1227 "2015-08-28T13:36:32Z")
Let’s all keep in mind that we’re in the doldrums of August, and the primaries are still months away. And the election is over a year away. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2015, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/1228 "2015-08-28T14:13:18Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > It’s still a tiny difference, and includes a candidate who isn’t running yet. Hillary was polling better before she started running too. That’s the nature of campaigning. Yes I seem to recall Rick Perry and Fred Thompson being high in the polls until they got in the race. It’s still the exhibition season, still a few months away from the first real contests. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2015, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/1229 "2015-08-28T14:20:16Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Let’s all keep in mind that we’re in the doldrums of August, and the primaries are still months away. And the election is over a year away. True, but it has to be added here that as FOX news found how much money came their way by limiting the number of candidates in a debate (A lot of money came to prop up candidates that were close or just below the limit for the debate) the media, as I expected, knows about all that money that is out there in this election and by golly they are going to get it. What we are seeing with the election controversies and the early fights being covered a lot is in part a result of the courts removing many limitations with the money in elections. It is like reality TV drama that the media pushed only for a few months before and now it is becoming an almost 2 year season because there is more money to be made. An unexpected result of the Citizen’s United court decision and I do think that many on the media are thinking: “Neat, huh?” \* - I do think that the media knew about that consequence and so it did not pay too much attention on what the critics of dropping the money limits had to say. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2015, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/1230 "2015-08-28T21:41:06Z")
\*Hot Air and Townhall Media Group commissioned their first-ever scientific poll this month, partnering with Survey Monkey on the 2016 primary races. … Clinton has a six-point lead over Bernie Sanders, 37.88/31.75, when the sample only includes Democrats (as shown in the graphic above). \*\*When independents are included, Sanders has a one-point lead over Clinton, 29.6/28.46. That grows to a two-point lead when including all non-Republican respondents (“Something Else” for party ID was nearly 10% of the sample), 28.77/26.64. \*_Sanders has wide leads among both categories of independents, by slightly over 10 points, 25.83/15.56_ > **[New Hot Air-Townhall/Survey Monkey poll: Trump way up in GOP race, but...](https://hotair.com/ed-morrissey/2015/08/28/hot-airtownhall-poll-trump-way-up-in-gop-race-but-hillary-struggles-for-lead-in-dem-field-n227001)** > > Independents highly skeptical of Hillary Clinton's caring qualities. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2015, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/1231 "2015-08-28T22:01:04Z")
You’re actually taking succor in right-wing hack media like TownHall? What happened to you? ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2015, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/1232 "2015-08-28T22:49:34Z")
Taking succor? Jesus you Hillary supporters are wound up. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2015, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/1233 "2015-08-28T23:10:00Z")
> [@Shayna](#): > > Taking succor? Jesus you Hillary supporters are wound up. Actually, I completely intend to vote for Bernie in the PA primary. But if Hillary wins the nomination, you bet your butt I’m voting for her instead of letting a Republican vote go uncontested. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2015, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/1234 "2015-08-28T23:37:12Z")
> [@Fenris](#): > > Yes, yes, I know that the HillaryLovers will either attack the extreme reactionary magazine “The Atlantic” or say “Piffle, it’s just speculation designed to undermine Hillary”, but still. It’s interesting how a magazine like **The Atlantic (which is to the National Review as National Review is to Mother Jones)** is picking up on the "This Hillary e-mail thing is looking a lot more serious than the “It’s just a right-wing plot!” folks want it to be. **(Bolding added.)** I can’t tell what you mean here. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2015, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/1235 "2015-08-28T23:58:46Z")
> [@Shayna](#): > > Taking succor? Jesus you Hillary supporters are wound up. A lot of us like Bernie just fine; we just don’t seem to hate Hillary like you do. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2015, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/1236 "2015-08-29T00:01:44Z")
Oh, Fenris is trying to be sarcastic. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2015, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/1237 "2015-08-29T02:30:53Z")
Clinton is actually in worse shape than any other candidate. Her support is coming almost entirely from Democrats. Independents prefer both Bush and Trump to Clinton. Plus Trump and Bush are seeing a lot of disapproval from Republicans. Like Mitt Romney, should either be the nominee, Republicans will rally around them. So here’s a firm adaher prediction: clinton will have a lower approval rating than the Republican nominee, should she become the Democratic nominee. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2015, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/1238 "2015-08-29T02:33:32Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Clinton is actually in worse shape than any other candidate. Her support is coming almost entirely from Democrats. Independents prefer both Bush and Trump to Clinton. Just like for Obama. > [@](#): > > So here’s a firm adaher prediction: clinton will have a lower approval rating than the Republican nominee, should she become the Democratic nominee. I’ll try to remember. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2015, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/1239 "2015-08-29T02:50:51Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Just like for Obama. Not just like Obama. Independents disapprove of her by a more than 2-1 margin. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2015, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/1240 "2015-08-29T02:58:42Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Not just like Obama. Independents disapprove of her by a more than 2-1 margin. IIUC those are the Republican-leaning independents. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458.md?page=61) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458.md?page=63)