# The Great Un-Fork Hillary Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [April 12, 2015, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458 "2015-04-12T00:17:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 71
**Author:** ![Stately\_Greek\_Automaton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aca169/32.png) [@Stately\_Greek\_Automaton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stately_Greek_Automaton)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/1401 "2015-09-25T16:51:43Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > There is a massive variety of sensors. Since the pipeline isn’t built, who knows? Instead of refusing the project outright, the government could demand very precise sensors in sensitive areas. That would make the pipeline less than economical if demanded throughout but a compromise could be found. Sensors quite often [fail](http://globalnews.ca/news/2117570/alberta-oil-spill-when-failsafe-leak-detection-systems-fail/). From the article: > [@](#): > > In fact, a 2012 study by the U.S. Department of Transportation’s Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration found that leak detection systems only detected spills on a company’s right-of-way 11 per cent of the time. Take that for what you will, but sensors are not the be-all, end-all in terms of preventing spills. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2015, 10:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/1402 "2015-09-29T10:31:15Z")
The Chinese call Clinton a “rabble rouser”: > **[China calls Hillary Clinton a "rabble rouser" over Xi tweet | CNN](https://www.cnn.com/2015/09/28/world/china-xi-clinton-womens-rights/index.html)** > > China has lashed out at Hillary Clinton for her tweet criticizing Chinese president Xi Jinping's record on gender equality, calling her a "rabble-rouser" 'Bout time she had some good news. Commies suck. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2015, 11:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/1403 "2015-09-29T11:17:42Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > The Chinese call Clinton a “rabble rouser”: > > [http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/28/world/china-xi-clinton-womens-rights/index.html](http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/28/world/china-xi-clinton-womens-rights/index.html) > > 'Bout time she had some good news. Commies suck. “Commies suck”? Really? _That’s_ your takeaway from this story? Clinton has been talking up women’s rights in China for decades. You’re right that annoying the Chinese on this is probably a net positive for her but it has little to do with whatever’s left of their Communism. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2015, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/1404 "2015-09-30T01:41:05Z")
Well, given the nature of China’s regime, focusing on women’s rights is kind of short sighted if that’s what she’s doing. But it’s still cool that they called her a “rabble rouser”. Rabble should be roused. It’s not like China isn’t rousing their rabble at every opportunity. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2015, 10:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/1405 "2015-09-30T10:27:34Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Well, given the nature of China’s regime, focusing on women’s rights is kind of short sighted if that’s what she’s doing. How so? Are you saying that international women’s rights aren’t important, or are you under the impression that women’s rights is the only issue on Clinton’s agenda? It is certainly an important issue for her personally and one where she _can_ rile the Chinese openly without significant negative consequence to the US, unlike defense or trade where much more careful diplomacy is required. Don’t read that to mean she’s not paying attention to those issues as well, though. > [@](#): > > But it’s still cool that they called her a “rabble rouser”. Rabble should be roused. It’s not like China isn’t rousing their rabble at every opportunity. True, China needs to be snubbed every so often for their own good. As do most countries. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2015, 11:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/1406 "2015-09-30T11:34:49Z")
I meant that human rights in China are so atrocious in general that focusing on half the population makes little sense. It would be like opposing slavery in the US because half the slaves are women. Unlike Saudi Arabia, China isn’t unusually backwards in terms of equality of the sexes, so fixing China’s overall human rights problems does more for women than trying to make them more equal in a society that doesn’t recognize people as important to begin with except in units of a million or more. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2015, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/1407 "2015-09-30T13:41:49Z")
The 538ers shoot the breeze: [How Much Damage Has The Email Scandal Done To Hillary Clinton?](http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/chat-how-much-damage-has-the-email-scandal-done-to-hillary-clinton/) Short version: 1. Probably some, but not nearly as much as the press suggest because the press like to make things more dramatic. 2. Her numbers have gone down but they would likely have gone down anyway so it’s hard to unpick how much of that is related to the email scandal, particularly as if the press weren’t reporting on this they may have been reporting some other “scandal”. 3. The main question is how much longer this issue is likely to be in the public eye and whether a slow drip of information will continue for much longer. 4. Even at that, Clinton is **way** ahead in endorsements (which they consider significant) and is only likely to face a real threat if Biden enters the race, which is still uncertain. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2015, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/1408 "2015-09-30T15:16:31Z")
[McCarthy confesses the reason for the Benghazi investigations:](http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/09/30/boehners-likely-successor-credits-benghazi-committee-for-lowering-hillary-clintons-poll-numbers/?wpmm=1&wpisrc=nl_p1most) > [@](#): > > “Everybody thought Hillary Clinton was unbeatable, right?” McCarthy asked. “But we put together a Benghazi special committee, a select committee. What are her numbers today? Her numbers are dropping. Why? Because she’s untrustable. But no one would have known any of that had happened, had we not fought.” > > “I give you credit for that,” said Hannity. “I’ll give you credit where credit is due.” ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2015, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/1409 "2015-09-30T15:56:58Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > [McCarthy confesses the reason for the Benghazi investigations:](http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/09/30/boehners-likely-successor-credits-benghazi-committee-for-lowering-hillary-clintons-poll-numbers/?wpmm=1&wpisrc=nl_p1most) My monocle just fell into my tea! ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2015, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/1410 "2015-09-30T16:27:16Z")
Yep, knock me over with a feather. Who could have guessed? The only surprise is that they’re being so open about it. But they can pretty much trust the media to pretend that the GOP’s behavior is no better or worse than what the Dems do, so they probably feel pretty safe saying just about anything anymore. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/1411 "2015-10-01T00:16:14Z")
The Benghazi committee isn’t dropping her numbers, if anything it’s solidifying them. Clinton’s polling on how she handled Benghazi is dismal and was always dismal. The Committee was a waste of time past a certain point. So they claim they haven’t gotten all the information they need? Fine, put that in your final report and let those who failed to turn over relevant information take the hit for that. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/1412 "2015-10-01T13:52:08Z")
You’ve gone from breathless anticipation to sour grapes. What happened? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/1413 "2015-10-01T14:06:31Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > You’ve gone from breathless anticipation to sour grapes. What happened? Sometimes his reality-resistance bubble weakens a little and some actual facts get through. He’s usually able to repair it before too much time has passed, though. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/1414 "2015-10-02T06:09:08Z")
Clinton’s fundraising drops sharply: [http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2015/10/01/clinton\_fundraising\_drops\_41\_percent\_in\_3rd\_quarter\_128276.html](http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2015/10/01/clinton_fundraising_drops_41_percent_in_3rd_quarter_128276.html) ---
**Author:** ![Lantern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d26b3c/32.png) [@Lantern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lantern)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 7:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/1415 "2015-10-02T07:16:50Z")
[http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/2016\_presidential\_race.html](http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/2016_presidential_race.html) Hillary’s head to head numbers remain poor compared to Biden. She is +0.5 against Jeb versus 6.4 for Biden. She is +3.6 against Trump versus 10.7 for Biden. If Biden does jump in he will have a credible case that he is more electable than Hillary. His net favorability is also a lot better, +11 versus -12. My basic take on the race: Hillary is a mediocre candidate but she will probably beat Sanders and O’Malley quite easily given her massive institutional advantages. However Biden will have a serious shot if he does jump in. If she gets the nomination, her fate will depend on her opponent. Rubio is a far more talented campaigner and I think he will beat her. Jeb is the Republican Hillary; that race will truly be dud versus dud and will be very close. Hillary will beat any of the three outsiders if they somehow manage to get the nomination. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2015, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/1416 "2015-10-23T21:47:11Z")
Is the fork in yet? They’re dropping like flies. Biden, Webb, Chaffee… I doubt O’Malley will be in much longer. Is it time to cancel the rest of the debates? 🙂 Sanders is pouring in heart and soul, but I fear the machine is going to grind him to dust. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2015, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/1417 "2015-10-23T21:58:27Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Is the fork in yet? > > They’re dropping like flies. Biden, Webb, Chaffee… I doubt O’Malley will be in much longer. > > Is it time to cancel the rest of the debates? 🙂 Sanders is pouring in heart and soul, but I fear the machine is going to grind him to dust. Sanders will stick around at least through Iowa and NH. He’ll probably do reasonably well and maybe even win one of them (I doubt he’ll win both), and then do poorly in SC and other more diverse states and bow out. I expect it will a pretty graceful resolution, and he’ll heartily endorse Hillary. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2015, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/1418 "2015-10-27T00:50:32Z")
Hillary Clinton accuses Sanders of attacking her in a sexist way: [http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/10/25/hillary-clinton-takes-jab-at-bernie-sanderss-shouting-remark/](http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/10/25/hillary-clinton-takes-jab-at-bernie-sanderss-shouting-remark/) > [@](#): > > Hillary Rodham Clinton has seized on remarks Senator Bernie Sanders made in the first Democratic debate that “all the shouting in the world” would not keep guns out of the wrong hands, suggesting that Mr. Sanders used those words because of Mrs. Clinton’s gender. > > “I haven’t been shouting, but sometimes when a woman speaks out, some people think it’s shouting,” she said at the Jefferson-Jackson dinner in Des Moines, Iowa, on Saturday. She made those same dumb mistakes against Obama. Democrats want you to accuse Republicans of sexism, not liberal Democrats. That’s off-putting. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2015, 9:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/1419 "2015-10-27T09:52:02Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Democrats want you to accuse Republicans of sexism, not liberal Democrats. That’s off-putting. You’ve shown very poor ability to read Democrats minds so far; I don’t think you have much idea what Democrats actually want. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2015, 11:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458/1420 "2015-10-27T11:28:43Z")
I doubt many Democrats would find Clinton’s attempt to portray Sanders’ statement as sexist as anything other than opportunistic. And I don’t have to read Democrats’ minds. She pulled this same tactic on Obama and got nothing but disdain in response. There’s simply no market among Democrats for accusing liberal candidates of sexism unless it’s pretty darn obvious. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458.md?page=70) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-un-fork-hillary-thread/717458.md?page=72)