The greatest sci-fi movie ever made?

My choices – they alternate day to day – are Forbidden Planet and 2001. The former is the best cinematic translation of 1940s science fiction on the screen, the latter the best cinematic depiction of 1950s science fiction. Since they were made in 1956 and 1968 respectively, this shows that even the best science fiction film is a decade behind the times.
Forbidden Planet has all the elements that make up good wriiten science fiction, mixed in with extraridinarily good special effects for the era (most of which still stand up today), and an emphasis on the Science aspect. It broke a lot of stnadrad ideas when it came out (and therefore established its own cliches, but, as they did it first, they weren’t cliches then). In a time when movies were still gingerly titoing around the idea of putting people into space and going interplanetary, FP gave us people going faster than light and travelling interstellar distances, flying for the first time (in cinema anyway) in ships that didn’t look like cigars. (People can use flying saucers, too!) The opening dialogue doesn’t really need to be understood to give the impression of methodical and regular military precision, but if you pay close attention, it’s all about decelerating from lightspeed to subliminal speed, using some sort of stasis device to prevent the crew being killed, and it’s not belabored or spelled out in elementary terms (you just have to catch on that “DC Point” stands for “deceleration point” and the like. I’ll bet most people who have watched the film don’t really know what’s going on, or care. But those of us who do love it.)

The film deals with Lost Civilizations, weird extraterrestrial menaces, super science, robots (who actually obey Asimov’s Three Laws!, although it isn’t explicitly stated). It takes an idea that is pretty common coin and follows it through to a logical and unexpected conclusion. The film clearly bases itself on Shakespeare’s “The Tempest”, but anyone who thinks it’s just The Tempest dressed up in science fiction drag isn’t paying attention. (The characters, plot, and motivation are completely different. And if you don’t think so, then explain how Caliban is the main element driving the action in Tempest)

The film avoids cliches – Robby the Robot has an emergency override, that is used. The Three Laws aren’t just for show – they fit into the logic of the plot, and are used to dribve home a point at the end. Morbius’ being a philologist works beautifully in fittiong parts of the plot together. And the one point in the film that works best is Doc Ostrow’s logical analysis of events after the attack on the ship. It’s the kind of logical reasoning that characterizes the best science fiction, and makes science fiction what it inherently is – fiction about science and its uses and how people interact with it – rather than just a specially effects extravaganza or a horrorshow. George Bernard Shaw once observed that a story about an earthquake is just spectacle, and he could’ve said the same thing about a movie about a monster. Real drama is about how people interact, and that’s what Forbidden Planet is.

2001 is the artsiest and most “cerebral” science fiction film. It’s effects, too, stand up after all these years. The spectacle is shown soberly, with people interacting with it in a matter-of-fact way. The spaceflight sequences are superb, using classical music instead of the usual “weird” theremin scores or (more recently) blasting fanfares. For once, spaceships moved as if they obeyed Newton’s laws (not zooming and swooping, although the camera movements, along with The Blue Danube suggested graceful flight), something still rarely done. Space, for once, really was silent, a feature used to dramatic effect when Dave Bowman blows the hatch of his pod, or when travel in pods or suits has only the “score” of the astronaut’s breathing.

Despite all the accuracy, or perhaps because of it, the film is about something totyally weird an unexpected, and how we react to it, all of which is in the best traditions of science fiction. (Some of it hasn’t aged well, of course – fossilized fashions and attitudes towards the sexes look oddly out of place. And, of course, it’s well after 2001 now, and we still don’t have a space station or a base on the moon. Or a Cold War, thank Og). But if you want to convince people that Science Fiction film can be a thing of beauty, a mature thing, the first film you show them is 2001.

the Day the Earth Stood Still is high on my list, for many of the same reasons (very mature treatment of the theme. Excellent special effects, that still stand up. Avoiding obvious cliches. It’s a helluva lot better than the Harry Bates story that inspired it), but those two just rank higher overall.
I like a lot of the other suggestions – there aren’t enough good science fiction films – but don’t like them anywhere near as well as these. Bladerunner I found interesting but flawed and ultimately unsatisfying. Star Wars and its sequels and prequels are fantasies/fairy tales, as George Lucas has always maintained (Lucas says his contribution to SF is THX-1138) It’s filled with princesses and gurus, and all the guys in the military seem to be generals. It put a LOT of old SF ideas and setttings and tropes unashamedly up there on the screen at a time when the major studios still tiptoed around such ideas for fear of aluienating the public, and for that we owe him as big debt – frontier planets and spa ceports and bars full of aliens and the like. Dammit, science fiction fans were LUSTING after that stuff, while movies were giving us dumb stuff like Damnation Alley and Logan’s Run.
I don’t understand the appeal of 12 Monkeys at all. I thought La Jetee was an interesting flick with a cute gimmick.

But ow about:
**Metropolis

The Quatermass Xperiment

Quatermass 2

Quatermass and the Pit

The Andromeda Strain

The Terminator

2010

Robinson Crusoe on Mars

The Hidden

Robocop

The Thing** (both versions)

Dune (overall)

Bicentennial Man (yes – for all its flaws, it’s still the best Asimov adaptation out there)
**Destination Moon

The Puppet Masters** Heinlein has fared the worst of The Big Three, and I have problems with both of these, but they’re worth watching. Certainly more than Starship Troopers

Invasion of the Body Snatchers (the original)

Panic in Year Zero
The War Game
(the best of the “after the Bomb” films, followed closely by Threads and The Day After)
The Day of the Triffids (the BBC version, not the 1960s movie)
Enemy Mine

The movie made from the BBC’s Quatermass and the Pit (called *Five Million Years to Earth * in the USA) is quite chilling.

You’ve made some well thought-out choices. 2001 was obviously mind-blowing–but 2010 holds up well on repeated viewing. And Forbidden Planet definitely benefits from letterbox presentation–even on my dinky TV.

I give Dune & Bladerunner extra points for style. Who needs thought if you’ve got inspired art direction? (Hey, I liked eXistenZ!)

The first science fiction movie ever–Le Voyage dans la lune is silly & enjoyable.

(There is no way I could pick “the greatest.”)

Does Serenity not qualify since it was sort of a long final episode of a TV series? Or is it too much “space opera” and not enough science?

And I haven’t seen the movie Andromeda Strain, but if the plot is the same as the book, I would not put it in any category with “Science” in the title. It has a sciencey veneer, but the ending spits in the face of all possible scientific reality.

Close Encounters of the Third Kind
If you want a ‘real’ feel to the fantastic, this film has it in spades.

Plus

2001
Gattacca
The Day the Earth Stood Still
Frakenstein (James Whale)
Alien/Aliens

I strongly disagree with you there. Brazil is great science fiction story that does not need technology. The heart of good science fiction is a willingness to explore ideas, and you cannot doubt that Brazil has taken the idea of “just follow orders” and run with it as long and as far as 1984.

I’ll quote CJ Cherryh, just because I happen to have it in front of me at the moment.

Brazil and 12 Monkeys may deal more with psychological aspects of humanity, but so did Ted Sturgeon… And it doesn’t make them any less science fiction.

Say what? The protagonist’s actions are no more unethical than, say, a black man in 1930’s America wearing makeup to pass as white in order to land a well-paying job. The whole movie is a morality tale condemning those who judge a book without opening its cover.

I wouldn’t be able to come up with one, but there are several that come to mind:

It Came from Outer Space. Nice little alien invasion film, with an ending that blasts apart the cliches of what 50s SF films were supposed to be about. Ray Bradbury helped with the script, too. Try to watch it in the original 3D.

Them!. The best giant insect movie (though Tarantula is nearly as good), with a good script, characters, and wit.

Invasion of the Body Snatchers (original). Nice bit of paranoia, with a twist.

Forbidden Planet. Pretty good overall, but hurt by Walter Pidgeon’s dull performance (Pidgeon didn’t like the role and clearly phoned it in).

A Clockwork Orange. I prefer this to the weak plot and ending of 2001 (It could be argued that 2001 is responsible for everything that is bad about current SF).

A Boy and His Dog. Great little film from a Harlan Ellison story. The only Nebula Award winning movie made from a Nebula Award winning story, and the movie has some nice improvements on the original (though I agree with Harlan about the final couple of lines).

Star Wars. Definitely responsible for everything that is bad about movies these days, but still a great movie. (And saying “Space Opera isn’t science fiction” shows an ignorance of what science fiction was and is.)

Brazil. Just a great SF film/satire, with extra points for its twisted vision of the future.

12 Monkeys. I agree with Darrell Schweitzer that this could be the last intelligent SF film we see, but it is by far the best time travel movie ever and certainly surpasses its source material.

There are lots of others that are good but too flawed: 2001, Metropolis (as H.G. Wells pointed out, a silly plot), The Andromeda Strain (the deus ex machina ending, Blade Runner (all mood and not logically based; the book was better), The Day the Earth Stood Still (not bad, but certainly not great).

I would nominate Children of Men. It may not be the best ever, but is the best I have seen recently.

Rocky Horror! Next question?

I’ll irritate everyone and say Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, even though it did make the enormous mistake of not showing Kate Winslet naked.

No way would I include Close Encounters on a list of Best Science Fiction films. It’s more like an anti-science fiction film, going for scare and feel-good guts, rather than going for science and logic. It’s a supermarket tabloid of a movie. And it freakin’ ends right where the real story begins – when the aliens land and come out. Heck, that’s where The Day the Earth Stood Still STARTS! Even if you want convincing special effects, there are better choices.

I see I’ve left out all of James Cameron except Terminator. The man needs more encouragement – he had a rare gift for combining storytelling, direction, good SF, and the wherewithal to get this all put together and funded. I wish he’d make more science fiction films. His Sf works are among the best:

**Terminator II

Aliens** (I muvch preferred this to Ridley Scott’s original, but scattershot and onfused flick)

The Abyss (It has problems, like being too long and really taking highs and lows, and Pepper Mill hates it and calls it “The Abysmal”. But I like it.)

I’ve left out all the Star Trek films, and I think they deserve a place, especiaaly:

**Star Trek II

Star Trek IV

Star Trek VI**

And I inexplicably left out Jerome Bixby’s ouevre:

**It! The Terror from Beyond Space
The Lost Missile

Fantastic Voyage**
And, although I’ve been warned that It’s Not As Good As I Recall (and I haven’t seen it in ages),

** Creation of the Humanoids**
I have to add that I liked
**The Matrix

The Matrix Reloaded**

although I was annoyed by the last installment
And there are a few low-budget entries:
**Deathwatch

The Ugly Little Boy

The Lathe of Heaven** (the PBS version, not the later one with James Caan)

I would agree if he had only faked his record and identity. However, he also cheated on physical exams (using recordings of someone else’s heart rate, for example). He falsely portrayed himself as being in much better physical condition than he really was. Unlike skin color, his flaw was not irrelevant to his job. The mission was designed for someone who really had the stamina that he pretended to have. He was therefore putting the entire mission at risk.

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I’ve left out all the Star Trek films, and I think they deserve a place, especiaaly:

**Star Trek II

Star Trek IV

Star Trek VI**
I don’t think Trek VI belongs on the list. It’s atmospheric and engaging in many ways, but the plot holes are so huge they cannot be ignored and take you completely of the moment.

The obvious answer, of course, is Independence Day!
[sup]RUN AWAY![/sup]

In the future, astronauts will fly in business suits! :slight_smile:

Groundbreaking to be sure, but fundamentally flawed as a movie. It has two completely unconnected plots – the exploration of the ET obelisk and the behavioral malfunction of HAL – stitched together into a flopping, shambling chimera.

Completely unconnected plots? The winner for that would be Méliès’ Le Voyage dans la Lune.

Another vote for Forbidden Planet This is the first science fiction movie that I remember watching and it still holds up well.
I also blame this movie for my star trek geekdom.

My favorite quote: [following on a brief discussion of evolutionary biology WRT a plaster cast of a track left by the Id Monster] “On any planet, this thing’s a monster!” Shows a level of scientific sophistication, or at least consciousness, rare in the SF films of the time (and largely since, let’s be honest).

Actually, the line is even better:

“On any planet, this thing is a Nightmare!”
Which is, of course, quite true.

I think Serenity counts. I know Orson Scott Card called it the greatest science fiction film of all time.

I’d rank 'em like this.

  1. 2001: A Space Odyssey

  2. Serenity

  3. Pitch Black