# The Grey Havens (Forbidden Lord of the Rings Mafia) **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 12, 2010, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-grey-havens-forbidden-lord-of-the-rings-mafia/550019 "2010-08-12T04:04:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2010, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-grey-havens-forbidden-lord-of-the-rings-mafia/550019/21 "2010-08-13T22:44:39Z")
Give it time, folks, give it time. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2010, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-grey-havens-forbidden-lord-of-the-rings-mafia/550019/22 "2010-08-13T22:52:26Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > As I recall, one of the covers was Hermione Granger, which is a pretty important character. Nope, the three cover roles that scum got were Neville Longbottom, Luna Lovegood, and Minerva McGonagall. All were major characters that were deeply involved in the intrigues of the series but not on the same plane as Ron or Hermione. I can sub if you still need some. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2010, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-grey-havens-forbidden-lord-of-the-rings-mafia/550019/23 "2010-08-13T22:54:36Z")
You are on the sub list Inner. And Ron wasn’t in Potter mafia at all, oddly enough. I think Hermione was vanilla, too. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2010, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-grey-havens-forbidden-lord-of-the-rings-mafia/550019/24 "2010-08-13T22:56:20Z")
Odd that none of this handshaking stuff happened in Potter. Different crowd, I guess. Interesting to me, though, but I’m spoiled, like story and sach. ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2010, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-grey-havens-forbidden-lord-of-the-rings-mafia/550019/25 "2010-08-14T22:58:21Z")
I’m glad I didn’t take part (after reading a couple of pages)-compared to Diplomacy this game would turn me into a raving basket case in short order-I can see myself constructing a wall of clues, using string to connect various statements together, staying up to 4 am perusing them over and over while drooling copiously, thus porking my work performance. I don’t know how the rest of you do it. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2010, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-grey-havens-forbidden-lord-of-the-rings-mafia/550019/26 "2010-08-14T23:06:46Z")
Kind of like that. ---
**Author:** ![Lamia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Lamia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamia)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2010, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-grey-havens-forbidden-lord-of-the-rings-mafia/550019/27 "2010-08-15T00:26:47Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > I’m really glad I sat this one out. I don’t deny that there’s a game being played in that thread, but it’s not the one I think of when I think about playing Mafia. Maybe I’m really weird about this or maybe it’s just because I’m not a great analytic (and not even a decent mathematical) thinker, but the idea of generating hashes and handshakes on the chance that the mod provided an inadvertent confirmation mechanism just seems very much like… avoiding the game to me. Yeah, I read the first few pages of the game thread and then lost interest because I don’t find this “handshake” stuff interesting. That, and the large number of posts that were basically just “Hey, remember that thing that happened in some other Mafia game [often on another forum]?” I had been tempted to sign up for the LOTR game after avidly following the recent Harry Potter game, but I’m glad I didn’t. And that’s not a criticism of the game design or moderation, I just would have found this style of playing and conversation to be boring and irritating. This would have been my first Mafia game, and if I ever do play one then I want to actually _play the game_. ---
**Author:** ![boarchariot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/838e76/32.png) [@boarchariot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/boarchariot)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2010, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-grey-havens-forbidden-lord-of-the-rings-mafia/550019/28 "2010-08-15T03:10:41Z")
Can I get spoiled? Like Snickers I am mafia newb and would like to see how things are playing out while they happen. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2010, 6:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-grey-havens-forbidden-lord-of-the-rings-mafia/550019/29 "2010-08-15T06:51:21Z")
I agree with Lamia and if this sort of discussion continues, I’m thinking about withdrawing my name from the sub list because I don’t find it interesting or fun. (That being said, I’m pretty drunk right now, so take my opinions with a grain of salt.) ---
**Author:** ![Oy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bc8723/32.png) [@Oy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oy)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2010, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-grey-havens-forbidden-lord-of-the-rings-mafia/550019/30 "2010-08-15T12:50:00Z")
What is SAHM as used by **MHaye** in post 531? Stay at Home Mafia, i.e. Mafia in person? ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2010, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-grey-havens-forbidden-lord-of-the-rings-mafia/550019/31 "2010-08-15T13:13:23Z")
Sauron And His Minions. ---
**Author:** ![Oy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bc8723/32.png) [@Oy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oy)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2010, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-grey-havens-forbidden-lord-of-the-rings-mafia/550019/32 "2010-08-15T15:02:13Z")
Ah. Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2010, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-grey-havens-forbidden-lord-of-the-rings-mafia/550019/33 "2010-08-15T16:29:04Z")
I’d wait a bit before withdrawing names from subbing list. The whole game won’t be like this. ---
**Author:** ![Oy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bc8723/32.png) [@Oy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oy)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-grey-havens-forbidden-lord-of-the-rings-mafia/550019/34 "2010-08-16T14:41:41Z")
Another ignorant question: what is PIS? ---
**Author:** ![Alka\_Seltzer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c89c15/32.png) [@Alka\_Seltzer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alka_Seltzer)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-grey-havens-forbidden-lord-of-the-rings-mafia/550019/35 "2010-08-16T14:51:15Z")
Perfect Information Syndrome or a Perfect Information Slip. When a player inadvertantly reveals something they shouldn’t know if they were vanilla town. ---
**Author:** ![Oy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bc8723/32.png) [@Oy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oy)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-grey-havens-forbidden-lord-of-the-rings-mafia/550019/36 "2010-08-16T15:36:31Z")
Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-grey-havens-forbidden-lord-of-the-rings-mafia/550019/37 "2010-08-16T15:59:23Z")
> [@Lord of the Rings Mafia](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/636): > > **Pleonast** , I think claiming Fellowship or not would only be useful if there were a good chance that all nine of the Fellowship are in the game, but I think that’s fairly unlikely. Compare the last game, Harry Potter, where Ron Weasley (who’s one of the top three or five most important characters in the books) was not in the game at all (not even as a cover name). A moderator who’s willing to leave out a character that important probably isn’t going to include all of the Nine, either. The drawback, however, will still apply whether all of the Fellowship are here or not. In addition, of the Nine, Boromir could easily be a third party even if Mahaloth is staying quite close to canon. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-grey-havens-forbidden-lord-of-the-rings-mafia/550019/38 "2010-08-16T16:13:20Z")
> [@Lamia](#): > > This would have been my first Mafia game, and if I ever do play one then I want to actually _play the game_. Keep following the game. I can sense they are already moving past some of that opening stuff and getting to the game. > [@boarchariot](#): > > Can I get spoiled? Like Snickers I am mafia newb and would like to see how things are playing out while they happen. Sure. I’ll PM you the directions. ---
**Author:** ![Alka\_Seltzer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c89c15/32.png) [@Alka\_Seltzer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alka_Seltzer)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-grey-havens-forbidden-lord-of-the-rings-mafia/550019/39 "2010-08-16T16:18:11Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > In addition, of the Nine, Boromir could easily be a third party even if Mahaloth is staying quite close to canon. Will be very interesting to see what Mahaloth has done with the setup. Maybe another member of the fellowship will succumb to temptation in this one. Lots of scope for 3rd parties as well (Gollum, Saruman, Shelob). I haven’t been following the game closely as I don’t find the handshake discussion very interesting or productive, but I’m toying with the idea that scum might be using to to fish. It’s pretty useless for town, as they will never know if scum have a sample role PM or not, but scum could use it to handshake with vanillas. Am I right in saying Chronos has revealed he knows the the name of another player? That’s curious, Chronos is on record as being dead-set against soft claims. ---
**Author:** ![Oy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bc8723/32.png) [@Oy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oy)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-grey-havens-forbidden-lord-of-the-rings-mafia/550019/40 "2010-08-16T16:23:16Z")
**Mahaloth** , I am a Mafia newbie who would have (porbably unwisely) volunteered for this game had I noticed it in time. I’m very confused by both this game and the Harry Potter one, which are the only Mafias I’ve ever seen. I’d like to be spoilered please. Could you send me directions? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-grey-havens-forbidden-lord-of-the-rings-mafia/550019.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-grey-havens-forbidden-lord-of-the-rings-mafia/550019.md?page=3)