# The Grey Havens (Forbidden Lord of the Rings Mafia)

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**Category:** The Game Room\
**Created:** [August 12, 2010, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-grey-havens-forbidden-lord-of-the-rings-mafia/550019 "2010-08-12T04:04:51Z")\
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**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\
**Post date:** [August 18, 2010, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-grey-havens-forbidden-lord-of-the-rings-mafia/550019/53 "2010-08-18T15:01:37Z")

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**Guiri** just made an excellent point. This:

> [@Lord of the Rings Mafia](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/825):
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> Especially now that you’ve handed them a complete vanilla town PM to compare against those who posted. You were _assuming_ they had one. Now it’s certain. Anti-town, pro scum.

is exactly the kind of thing that people mean when they say that anti-Town is not the same as pro-Scum. If Ed were scum, the rest of the scum would almost certainly have the information that he has. Therefore Ed’s actions(assuming Astral has correctly described the situation) can only be bad for Town **if Ed himself is Town**.

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