# The gun and ammo hoarders may have been right **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 2, 2017, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gun-and-ammo-hoarders-may-have-been-right/778837 "2017-02-02T18:31:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gun-and-ammo-hoarders-may-have-been-right/778837/41 "2017-02-02T22:10:46Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > That’s ridiculous revisionist history. The current threat to liberty and democracy is the far left. What are they gonna do? Patchouli you into submission? ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gun-and-ammo-hoarders-may-have-been-right/778837/42 "2017-02-02T22:18:09Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > What are they gonna do? Patchouli you into submission? I guess you aren’t seeing any examples of left wing political violence on TV? ---
**Author:** ![Bear\_Nenno](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bear_nenno/32/3358_2.png) [@Bear\_Nenno](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bear_Nenno)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gun-and-ammo-hoarders-may-have-been-right/778837/43 "2017-02-02T22:20:16Z")
What is it that you’re scared the military will be told to do? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gun-and-ammo-hoarders-may-have-been-right/778837/44 "2017-02-02T22:37:07Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > If the left have been warning about authoritarianism then why is it that the left, until now, have been all about eroding constitutional barriers to federal power? Are you sure you aren’t confusing socialism with authoritarianism? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gun-and-ammo-hoarders-may-have-been-right/778837/45 "2017-02-02T22:38:37Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > I guess you aren’t seeing any examples of left wing political violence on TV? Political violence? Yes. Quite a bit. Authoritarianism? Not so much. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gun-and-ammo-hoarders-may-have-been-right/778837/46 "2017-02-02T22:38:58Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Are you sure you aren’t confusing socialism with authoritarianism? How do you enact comprehensive social programs without the might of the state? ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gun-and-ammo-hoarders-may-have-been-right/778837/47 "2017-02-02T22:43:54Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > It’s good to see that 2nd amendment and 10th amendment are now gaining popularity among the left. Please remember your suppport in 8-12 years. Many of us always did support it - and already had various firearms. You just weren’t paying attention. It didn’t match the shit story your side likes to tell (fake news so unfair so sad). ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gun-and-ammo-hoarders-may-have-been-right/778837/48 "2017-02-02T22:47:52Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > It’s nice to know ahead of time that if the government comes to take away the rights of those you don’t approve of, we will know which way _your_ gun will be pointing. Exactly. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gun-and-ammo-hoarders-may-have-been-right/778837/49 "2017-02-02T22:48:00Z")
Funny, I was just thinking this the other day…“hmmm, now I sort of see the point of a well-armed populace…”. I am very pro-gun control. But we might not be able get rid of Trump by singing Kumbaya. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gun-and-ammo-hoarders-may-have-been-right/778837/50 "2017-02-02T22:51:30Z")
> [@JKellyMap](#): > > Funny, I was just thinking this the other day…“hmmm, now I sort of see the point of a well-armed populace…”. I am very pro-gun control. But we might not be able get rid of Trump by singing Kumbaya. Sometimes “gun control” means being able to hit the son of a bitch 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gun-and-ammo-hoarders-may-have-been-right/778837/51 "2017-02-02T22:53:31Z")
> [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > It’s too late for you all. > > We have such a head start on you, that there is simply no way that you can make up for the many decades of stockpiling that normal good Americans have been doing. > > I especially like when the left resorts to violence or threatens violent actions or speaks of some sort of war, because that war would be hilarious and one of the shortest wars ever. LOL, this misguided and erroneous assumption about “the left” cracks me up every time. A good friend of mine and I keep our gun skilz up to date by attending [Appleseed](https://appleseedinfo.org/) clinics regularly. We’re pretty good after so many years of doing them. Have never disavowed the instructors/attendees of their assumptions. We’re the biggest pro-gun control, flaming liberal atheists with whom they are likely to ever share range space. We know of many more like us. I also practice a lot at home. But please, carry on with your predictable assumptions. We love that. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gun-and-ammo-hoarders-may-have-been-right/778837/52 "2017-02-02T23:06:20Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Many of us always did support it - and already had various firearms. You just weren’t paying attention. It didn’t match the shit story your side likes to tell (fake news so unfair so sad). More revisionist history? Fake history? Alternative history? Delusional history? ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gun-and-ammo-hoarders-may-have-been-right/778837/53 "2017-02-02T23:07:26Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > “Normal”? Well, sure, OK, if you say so. ‘Good’ is a bigger lie. Blinky and his ilk are psychopaths. > [@SteveG1](#): > > Many of us always did support it - and already had various firearms. You just weren’t paying attention. It didn’t match the shit story your side likes to tell (fake news so unfair so sad). They don’t support any _other_ rights (certainly not, despite the MiniTru-approved names they give their anti-woman, and anti-LGBT laws, the right of free practice of religion), so they have to pretend to be the sole supporters of the right to own guns, in order to pretend they have the pro-freedom position at all. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gun-and-ammo-hoarders-may-have-been-right/778837/54 "2017-02-02T23:08:07Z")
OK, suppose for the sake of argument that insurrection against the government would become necessary. What does that have to do with guns? In this day and age, guns are a piss-poor tool of insurrection. If I were inclined to insurrection, I’d learn how to make and use lockpicks, IEDs, and computer viruses. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gun-and-ammo-hoarders-may-have-been-right/778837/55 "2017-02-02T23:11:31Z")
> [@Kamino\_Neko](#): > > ‘Good’ is a bigger lie. Blinky and his ilk are psychopaths. > > They don’t support any _other_ rights (certainly not, despite the MiniTru-approved names they give their anti-woman, and anti-LGBT laws, the right of free practice of religion), so they have to pretend to be the sole supporters of the right to own guns, in order to pretend they have the pro-freedom position at all. Oh, please. The anti 1st, anti 2nd, anti 10th, anti constitutional party is and has been the left leaning one. However, now that Trump is president they are rediscovering, correction- discovering, the concept of limited government. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gun-and-ammo-hoarders-may-have-been-right/778837/56 "2017-02-02T23:17:44Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > How do you enact comprehensive social programs without the might of the state? Liberals expand government by funding food stamp programs and providing universal healthcare. Conservatives do so by Strengthening the military, militarizing the police, and expanding their powers, and tough on crime dictates that increase incarceration rates and circumvent constitutional civil liberty protection. I leave it up to you to decide which of these are more likely to lead to jack booted thugs coming to take you away. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gun-and-ammo-hoarders-may-have-been-right/778837/57 "2017-02-02T23:21:06Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Oh, please. The anti 1st, anti 2nd, anti 10th, anti constitutional party is and has been the left leaning one. This is another very silly statement. What’s with you lately? Suddenly all liberals, and all Democrats, are guilty of what a small minority do? Does that mean that all Republicans and conservatives want to murder black church-goers? ---
**Author:** ![Tee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@Tee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tee)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gun-and-ammo-hoarders-may-have-been-right/778837/58 "2017-02-02T23:22:08Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > OK, suppose for the sake of argument that insurrection against the government would become necessary. What does that have to do with guns? In this day and age, guns are a piss-poor tool of insurrection. If I were inclined to insurrection, I’d learn how to make and use lockpicks, IEDs, and computer viruses. and hopefully, how to keep quiet about it. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gun-and-ammo-hoarders-may-have-been-right/778837/59 "2017-02-02T23:23:23Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > More revisionist history? Fake history? Alternative history? Delusional history? I for one, have always been in favor of the private ownership of guns - along with laws to take them away from maniacs and violent felons. Freedom plus sensible legal limits. As are many many other “libruls” I’ve never made a secret of it. Neither have many other “libruls.” But if you like to talk about you and Trump coming to gun us down for not bowing down, for daring to politically or verbally oppose you, for exercising our constitutional and legal and natural rights to do so, don’t any of you DARE to wave the flag or say we are the un-American traitors. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gun-and-ammo-hoarders-may-have-been-right/778837/60 "2017-02-02T23:28:07Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > It’s good to see that 2nd amendment and 10th amendment are now gaining popularity among the left. Please remember your suppport in 8-12 years. Neither of which has ever been in danger of disappearing, much as the NRA would love you to believe that it’s so. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gun-and-ammo-hoarders-may-have-been-right/778837.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gun-and-ammo-hoarders-may-have-been-right/778837.md?page=4)