# The gun and ammo hoarders may have been right **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 2, 2017, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gun-and-ammo-hoarders-may-have-been-right/778837 "2017-02-02T18:31:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Dave\_Hartwick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7feea3/32.png) [@Dave\_Hartwick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dave_Hartwick)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2017, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gun-and-ammo-hoarders-may-have-been-right/778837/101 "2017-02-04T02:48:14Z")
A sensible, thoughtful post, marshmellow, thank you. It was predictably ignored. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2017, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gun-and-ammo-hoarders-may-have-been-right/778837/102 "2017-02-04T15:29:19Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > Should be a royal fuckfest when a group of armed ‘militia’ show up at a protest for the first time. That may come pretty soon. ---
**Author:** ![Weisshund](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/ba8739/32.png) [@Weisshund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weisshund)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2017, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gun-and-ammo-hoarders-may-have-been-right/778837/103 "2017-02-04T20:06:48Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Hawkeye Pierce? The television character? The show’s writers would rather have the character commit suicide before he picks up a gun to defend himself, or others? In a war zone? Excuse me, in a police action zone? That’s interesting. Actually the shows writers had the character wind up having to actually use a gun. ---
**Author:** ![Weisshund](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/ba8739/32.png) [@Weisshund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weisshund)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2017, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gun-and-ammo-hoarders-may-have-been-right/778837/104 "2017-02-04T20:38:18Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > The NRA will be Trump’s brown shirts; gun fetischism in the US has always been about white fear of blacks; that’s not changing under Trump. Do you actually make this stuff up on your own, or do you hire a full staff of “stupid” writers to do your material for you? ---
**Author:** ![Aspidistra](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspidistra/32/3894_2.png) [@Aspidistra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspidistra)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2017, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gun-and-ammo-hoarders-may-have-been-right/778837/105 "2017-02-04T21:02:19Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > This is how you protest. 6 straight weeks with up to 5% of the population marching in protest every night… until last call. > > [http://www.reuters.com/article/us-southkorea-politics-protests-business-idUSKBN13T04R](http://www.reuters.com/article/us-southkorea-politics-protests-business-idUSKBN13T04R) The scary part of that story is that her approval rating managed to get down to 4% before actual steps started to be taken to remove her. What would it take to get Trump’s approval down that low? Thirty percent unemployment in the rust belt? (not saying he couldn’t manage that, somehow…) On the other hand - good on South Korea, since it seems to be working. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2017, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gun-and-ammo-hoarders-may-have-been-right/778837/106 "2017-02-04T22:08:12Z")
> [@Dave\_Hartwick](#): > > A sensible, thoughtful post, marshmellow, thank you. It was predictably ignored. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19973273&postcount=87](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19973273&postcount=87) ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2017, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gun-and-ammo-hoarders-may-have-been-right/778837/107 "2017-02-04T22:17:07Z")
> [@Aspidistra](#): > > The scary part of that story is that her approval rating managed to get down to 4% before actual steps started to be taken to remove her. What would it take to get Trump’s approval down that low? Thirty percent unemployment in the rust belt? (not saying he couldn’t manage that, somehow…) > > On the other hand - good on South Korea, since it seems to be working. The fucked up thing is that Korea keeps electing conservatives and almost immediately having buyers remorse when the conservative does what conservatives in that country have been doing since the Korean War. Republicans will probably win a larger majority in the senate in 2018 and their 240-193 majority in the house is not likely to slip. So impeachment is highly unlikely before 2020. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2017, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gun-and-ammo-hoarders-may-have-been-right/778837/108 "2017-02-04T23:50:13Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > The fucked up thing is that Korea keeps electing conservatives and almost immediately having buyers remorse when the conservative does what conservatives in that country have been doing since the Korean War. > > Republicans will probably win a larger majority in the senate in 2018 and their 240-193 majority in the house is not likely to slip. So impeachment is highly unlikely before 2020. That will depend on what sort of scandals erupt over conflicts of interest and overreaching on the part of the president. If his handlers can’t keep him reigned in and he starts a war somewhere, few in congress are going to jeopardize their careers by backing his play. ---
**Author:** ![cuauhtemoc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecb155/32.png) [@cuauhtemoc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cuauhtemoc)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2017, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gun-and-ammo-hoarders-may-have-been-right/778837/109 "2017-02-05T02:09:24Z")
Deleted, Never mind ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2017, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gun-and-ammo-hoarders-may-have-been-right/778837/110 "2017-02-05T04:07:34Z")
> [@Weisshund](#): > > [QUOTE=madmonk28] > > The NRA will be Trump’s brown shirts; gun fetischism in the US has always been about white fear of blacks; that’s not changing under Trump. Do you actually make this stuff up on your own, or do you hire a full staff of “stupid” writers to do your material for you? [/QUOTE] Neither? It’s something that’s been well known for decades. The oh-so-sacred right to bear arms suddenly isn’t sacred at all if the person with guns is black. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2017, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gun-and-ammo-hoarders-may-have-been-right/778837/111 "2017-02-05T19:02:31Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Trump, and all the other Republicans who talk about “Second Amendment solutions”. They’ve been talking for decades about how much they’d like to murder their opponents, with less and less subtlety all the time. Maybe they need to shit or get off the pot. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2017, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gun-and-ammo-hoarders-may-have-been-right/778837/112 "2017-02-05T22:22:44Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Can we please not say “I told you so” > > What the left never understood (even after Bush Jr.) was that the threat to democracy was never going to come from the left, it was going to come from the right and a significant portion of the hard core gun owners would welcome it. > > Every liberal should be a gun owner. It will be too late when they start arresting congressmen. If there ever is a genuine, full-on putsch or coup or whatever we want to call it, having a bunch of armed hipsters ain’t gonna stop a trained military or national police force. I agree that when congressmen and journalists start getting rounded up and tossed in the clink, the sun is quickly setting on democracy at that point. Nevertheless, as examples like Romania and Eastern Europe, where citizens are not armed to the teeth and have lived for decades and even centuries in very authoritarian societies, the most effective antidote to oppressive regimes is the refusal to be governed. A government that is armed to the teeth is powerless when masses of people believe that they’d rather be dead than enslaved and simply refuse to eat whatever bullshit the government is trying to convince them to swallow. ---
**Author:** ![Blinkyandpinky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ad7895/32.png) [@Blinkyandpinky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blinkyandpinky)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2017, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gun-and-ammo-hoarders-may-have-been-right/778837/113 "2017-02-05T22:51:25Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Neither? It’s something that’s been well known for decades. The oh-so-sacred right to bear arms suddenly isn’t sacred at all if the person with guns is black. Well known among racist leftists apparently. Here is a recent news story of a black person who was armed and who defended their home from a home invasion by a bunch of thugs. Good for them! [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/vmCfbXoKxQU/maxresdefault.jpg "Dallas Homeowner Fights Off Home Invasion") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmCfbXoKxQU) ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2017, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gun-and-ammo-hoarders-may-have-been-right/778837/114 "2017-02-05T22:54:52Z")
Before Trump, how often did we have posters giving us YouTube for citation? ---
**Author:** ![Blinkyandpinky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ad7895/32.png) [@Blinkyandpinky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blinkyandpinky)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2017, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gun-and-ammo-hoarders-may-have-been-right/778837/115 "2017-02-05T22:57:41Z")
And here are some more facts to interject into the conversation. Gun sales are actually down following the election of the glorious Donald Trump. Most liberals apparently either don’t have money or jobs to purchase any guns and many of them live in big cities with very strict gun laws, so there hasn’t been any liberal stock piling of guns. I imagine that decent Americans outnumber liberals at a ratio of 9 to 1 probably, when it comes to fire arms ownership, so if anybody is itching for a civil war or a revolution, and many angry liberals certainly are, then I don’t see why not. It would be a pretty funny sight to see. [http://nation.foxnews.com/2016/11/27/gun-sales-down-following-trump-victory](http://nation.foxnews.com/2016/11/27/gun-sales-down-following-trump-victory) ---
**Author:** ![Blinkyandpinky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ad7895/32.png) [@Blinkyandpinky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blinkyandpinky)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2017, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gun-and-ammo-hoarders-may-have-been-right/778837/116 "2017-02-05T22:59:14Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Before Trump, how often did we have posters giving us YouTube for citation? It’s a video of a news story. If you have a problem with the source, then you may take it up with CBS. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2017, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gun-and-ammo-hoarders-may-have-been-right/778837/117 "2017-02-05T22:59:59Z")
> [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > …It would be a pretty funny site to see… A site for sour eyes, to be sure. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2017, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gun-and-ammo-hoarders-may-have-been-right/778837/118 "2017-02-06T01:09:00Z")
> [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > I imagine that decent Americans outnumber liberals Cute. :rolleyes: It’s funny that apparently ‘indecent’ liberals want to fund programs to do many of the things Jesus did, while ‘decent’ conservatives don’t. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2017, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gun-and-ammo-hoarders-may-have-been-right/778837/119 "2017-02-06T01:24:54Z")
> [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > I imagine that decent Americans outnumber liberals at a ratio of 9 to 1 probably, when it comes to fire arms ownership, so if anybody is itching for a civil war or a revolution, and many angry liberals certainly are, then I don’t see why not. It would be a pretty funny sight to see. You’re a typical right winger, so I’m sure you’d find burning cities and piles of corpses entertaining, and probably join in on the gang rapes of “uppity women” with great enthusiasm. ---
**Author:** ![Blinkyandpinky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ad7895/32.png) [@Blinkyandpinky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blinkyandpinky)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2017, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gun-and-ammo-hoarders-may-have-been-right/778837/120 "2017-02-06T01:51:49Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > You’re a typical right winger, so I’m sure you’d find burning cities and piles of corpses entertaining, and probably join in on the gang rapes of “uppity women” with great enthusiasm. I’m so mad at \ that I’m going to go out and riot and burn down my own neighborhood! That’ll show 'em!😃 Of course I find that to be extremely funny and hilarious, who wouldn’t? As for gang rapes, I don’t belong to that religion or culture. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gun-and-ammo-hoarders-may-have-been-right/778837.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gun-and-ammo-hoarders-may-have-been-right/778837.md?page=7)