# "The Harem of Elon Musk" or Musk's Family Values **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** elon-musk\ **Created:** [April 18, 2025, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-harem-of-elon-musk-or-musks-family-values/1017186 "2025-04-18T20:22:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2025, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-harem-of-elon-musk-or-musks-family-values/1017186/1 "2025-04-18T20:22:15Z")
I certainly don’t like the guy, but I had **no idea** about this. Am I the only one who was unaware?? > **[The Harem of Elon Musk](https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2025/04/elon-musk-fatherhood/682502/?gift=QgO_LHw-skz7EqtMG0lcxo_eM_cU47KnUeUFrNj9rMs&utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share)** > > The DOGE leader is offering the Republican Party a very different vision of fatherhood. [Gift link] > … > According to a recent _Wall Street Journal_ [report](https://www.wsj.com/politics/elon-musk-children-mothers-ashley-st-clair-grimes-dc7ba05c?mod=hp_lead_pos7), Musk is constantly scanning the horizon for new potential mothers for his children, using everything from X interactions and DMs to huge cash incentives to entice would-be incubators, whom he requires to sign legally binding payment agreements with nondisclosure clauses. As a result, **Musk has an undisclosed number of children that is likely well above the 14 already publicly known** , and he’s shown no obvious intention to stop sowing his seed. But perhaps more interesting than the presence of contracts between Musk and his harem of mothers is the apparent absence of traditional family ties. He appears to acknowledge few, if any, bonds of genuine duty and responsibility among family members, much less bonds of care or love. Musk seems to have reduced traditional family relationships to mere financial arrangements, undermining longtime conservative agreement around the importance of family. > > … > > But even eager fans of Musk’s reproductive philosophy won’t be able to replicate the scale of his bloodline empire, because Musk is especially well positioned to use money to fund and structure his preferred familial arrangements, effectively reducing those relationships to a vulgar cash nexus. Musk’s latest consort, the conservative influencer Ashley St. Clair, told _The Wall Street Journal_’s Dana Mattioli that Musk had **offered her a $15 million lump sum, as well as $100,000 per month for living expenses—if she was willing to sign a contract that would require her to keep their arrangement secret.** People familiar with Musk’s habits, Mattioli reported, said that this is a well-established practice for the billionaire, who threatens women financially if they hire an attorney or go public: In St. Clair’s case, Musk terminated his proposed $15 million payment and lowered her recurring payments to $40,000 a month (which, it’s fair to note, is still a lavish income) as the two went to court over paternity testing for their child. > > … > > Musk is rich enough to carry on his pro-natalist project indefinitely, and the world is full of women of childbearing age who could use $15 million. > … My bold. What-the-ever-loving-_fuck_? ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2025, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-harem-of-elon-musk-or-musks-family-values/1017186/2 "2025-04-18T20:28:43Z")
Yup, he wants a whole slew of super-smart babies to help colonize Mars. Or something. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2025, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-harem-of-elon-musk-or-musks-family-values/1017186/3 "2025-04-18T20:43:31Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > What-the-ever-loving-_fuck_? Well, not exactly. It’s ever-fuck, but not loving. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2025, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-harem-of-elon-musk-or-musks-family-values/1017186/4 "2025-04-18T20:47:03Z")
The more time Musk spends in the spotlight, the more we learn not just that he’s not the technical wunderkind he claims to be, he’s one of the most awful and just plain _fucking weird_ people on the planet. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2025, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-harem-of-elon-musk-or-musks-family-values/1017186/5 "2025-04-18T20:49:24Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > What-the-ever-loving-_fuck_? I’m not going to link to a bunch of gossip sites, but even filtering through the exaggerations Elon Musk has a long history of deeply creepy, controlling, and manipulative behavior going back to when he was dating his [first wife](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justine_Musk) and through the recent past where [he ignored one mother of several of his children asking for a medical release to perform some important procedure](https://www.newsweek.com/grimes-elon-musk-child-urgent-medical-2034216). His adorationists [like to explain it away as part of his (claimed) autistic spectrum condition](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-hate-for-elon-musk/961053/14) even though he has never actually presented any evidence of being diagnosed with ASD, and this scarcely excuses the way he uses his enormous legal team to suppress information, ‘fix’ sexual and other harassment complaints, and SLAPP-sues the living shit out of anyone who threatens his business interests or his reputation. It should be noted that Elon comes by it ‘honestly’ in the sense that his father also engages in some morally pretty suspect behavior [like having children with his step-daughter](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/elon-musk-father-kids-stepdaughter/). And regardless of what you think about Elon’s supposed ‘genius’ at business and technology, his self-promoting (and inevitably self-serving) charity, or his political views, in his personal life he is just an incredibly big piece of shit who treats people like garbage if they don’t serve any purpose or fail to entertain him. > [@Cervaise](#): > > The more time Musk spends in the spotlight, the more we learn not just that he’s not the technical wunderkind he claims to be, he’s one of the most awful and just plain _fucking weird_ people on the planet. I had a bit of an inside view to this going back over 15 years ago, and frankly the only surprise is that it took this long to come into full public view. I guess he really shocked people with the Nazi salute (and did it twice just to make sure that everyone got the ‘joke’) but all I could think is, “Yeah, now other people will see it, too.” [“What a fucking baby!”](https://youtube.com/shorts/A_SJ4CQUs00?si=GKHOFAZ9QczvVRbM) Stranger ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2025, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-harem-of-elon-musk-or-musks-family-values/1017186/6 "2025-04-18T20:52:15Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Am I the only one who was unaware?? Probably not the only one, but it was widely known. Musk is fractally sick, at every level of magnification our instruments can scan, in every realm of his activity. The more we probe, the more will be discovered. Disgusting in every sense and getting worse. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2025, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-harem-of-elon-musk-or-musks-family-values/1017186/7 "2025-04-18T20:56:47Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > Yup, he wants a whole slew of super-smart babies to help colonize Mars. Or something. If that’s the case is he planning to have someone else father them? ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2025, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-harem-of-elon-musk-or-musks-family-values/1017186/8 "2025-04-18T20:58:26Z")
Yup, I knew about it. It’s super skeevy. AFAIK most of his kids were conceived by IVF, too, and almost all of them are boys. I’ve seen suggestions that this sex selection was one of the clauses in his contracts with the mothers, and that’s one reason he’s so angry about his daughter transitioning. In 2016 Ross Douthat tweeted “If you dislike the religious right, wait till you meet the post-religious right,” and every year it’s more and more accurate. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2025, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-harem-of-elon-musk-or-musks-family-values/1017186/9 "2025-04-18T21:04:21Z")
> [@Pardel-Lux](#): > > Musk is fractally sick, at every level of magnification our instruments can scan, in every realm of his activity. Love the turn of phrase; it describes what is wrong with Musk so accurately. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2025, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-harem-of-elon-musk-or-musks-family-values/1017186/10 "2025-04-18T21:09:11Z")
I’m trying to think of which [**film**](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Boys_from_Brazil_(film)) this part of Musk’s life reminds me of. Wait. It’ll come to me. ---
**Author:** ![Dallas\_Jones](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dallas_jones/32/3277_2.png) [@Dallas\_Jones](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dallas_Jones)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2025, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-harem-of-elon-musk-or-musks-family-values/1017186/11 "2025-04-18T21:13:30Z")
If you cannot attack the policies, attack the man. Classic propaganda technique. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2025, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-harem-of-elon-musk-or-musks-family-values/1017186/12 "2025-04-18T21:15:52Z")
What?? In Musk’s case, there’s plenty of cause to attack both. What does propaganda have to do with it? ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2025, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-harem-of-elon-musk-or-musks-family-values/1017186/13 "2025-04-18T21:24:37Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > . . .he’s one of the most awful and just plain _fucking weird_ people on the planet. As a deeply weird individual (I am being serious here) I object to that. Musk has long habit of hurting other people because he just doesn’t care about other people. _That_ is the problem. > [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > His adorationists [like to explain it away as part of his (claimed) autistic spectrum condition](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-hate-for-elon-musk/961053/14) even though he has never actually presented any evidence of being diagnosed with ASD I have intentionally avoided watching Musk or reading anything he says. So (again seriously) is there any evidence he is on the spectrum? I am (I know I have mentioned this many times) definitely on the spectrum. For whatever reason, that was not among the very many diagnoses I was given during yearly psychological testing beginning roughly in the second grade. My sister, who has a Masters in special education, has been saying for the past few years that I should get tested and get an offcial diagnosis. That is not a cheap thing to do. None of the places doing testing take my insurance. I cannot see any benefit to getting an official diagnosis. I knew I had sleep apnes before I went in for a sleep study. I needed the sleep study so my insurance would pay for a c-pap and so the doctor could calibrate the c-pap. What do I get out of doctor saying ‘Yep. You’re autistic alright.’ ? Also, autism and Asperger’s are no excuse to act like an asshole. I have not heard any reason to doubt that Musk knows he is being an asshole. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2025, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-harem-of-elon-musk-or-musks-family-values/1017186/14 "2025-04-18T21:31:23Z")
> [@Dallas\_Jones](#): > > If you cannot attack the policies, attack the man. Oh, there’s plenty about his “policies” to attack as well. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2025, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-harem-of-elon-musk-or-musks-family-values/1017186/15 "2025-04-18T21:32:12Z")
> [@Dallas\_Jones](#): > > If you cannot attack the policies, {…} Trump daily calls the _ad hominem_ tune. We aren’t supposed to be dancing to it?? ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2025, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-harem-of-elon-musk-or-musks-family-values/1017186/16 "2025-04-18T21:33:55Z")
> [@DocCathode](#): > > What do I get out of doctor saying ‘Yep. You’re autistic alright.’ ? Now? Probably not much. But it could have made a huge difference when you were in school. Well, maybe, at least. And I’m not even sure that Musk is all that unusual, in this regard. I suspect that there are a very large number of men who would do the same, if they could. All that’s different about Musk is that he’s sufficiently filthy stinking rich that he can actually act on it. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2025, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-harem-of-elon-musk-or-musks-family-values/1017186/17 "2025-04-18T21:42:01Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Now? Probably not much. But it could have made a huge difference when you were in school. Well, maybe, at least. I may be misunderstanding the announcement, but I think the Secretary Of Health said I no longer have to pay taxes or hold a job. I would still like to date my beloved, and to use the toilet unassisted. > [@Dallas\_Jones](#): > > If you cannot attack the policies, attack the man. Classic propaganda technique. What exactly do you mean by “attack”? Are you saying that the claims made in the OP are false? Or are you saying that mentioning those facts, even though they are true, is an attack and propaganda? ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2025, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-harem-of-elon-musk-or-musks-family-values/1017186/18 "2025-04-18T21:44:18Z")
> [@DocCathode](#): > > So (again seriously) is there any evidence he is on the spectrum? Other than his halting speech pattern and awkward manner (which is curiously less present in early interviews and videos of him, suggesting that it is in part either an affectation or perhaps coincident with his self-reported drug use), no, there is no particular reason to believe that Musk is ‘on the spectrum’, at least from a standpoint of having a pathological condition. He basically started claiming to be autistic when people started criticizing him for being such a jerk and calling rescue diver Vernon Unsworth “pedo guy” in a tweet. He has since used it repeatedly to deflect from criticism about his abusive behavior toward employees, offensive statements, and general weirdness, but has never put forth any claim that he has been diagnosed for it. But even if he is ‘on the spectrum’, it is not an excuse for being a misogynistic jerk, a far/alt-right supporting bigot, and certainly not for buying politicians and running ‘lotteries’ to get around flagrant violations of election law prohibiting paying for votes. By behaving in such a flagrantly offensive manner and then excusing it as just being “Asperger’s” (a formally deprecated term and diagnosis named for [a eugenicist associated with the Nazi _Aktion T4_ euthanasia program at the Am Spiegelgrund clinic](https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-truth-about-hans-aspergers-nazi-collusion/)) he defames other people legitimately living with ASD conditions. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2025, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-harem-of-elon-musk-or-musks-family-values/1017186/19 "2025-04-18T21:51:13Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > But even if he is ‘on the spectrum’, it is not an excuse for being a misogynistic jerk, a far/alt-right supporting bigot, and certainly not for buying politicians and running ‘lotteries’ to get around flagrant violations of election law prohibiting paying for votes. By behaving in such a flagrantly offensive manner and then excusing it as just being “Asperger’s” (a formally deprecated term and diagnosis named for [a eugenicist associated with the Nazi _Aktion T4_ euthanasia program at the Am Spiegelgrund clinic](https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-truth-about-hans-aspergers-nazi-collusion/)) he defames other people legitimately living with ASD conditions. Just to be clear, I absolutely and vehemently agree with this. I’ve known other people on the spectrum who could come across as jerks because they didn’t understand rules and expectations in social situations. Obviously, those people need gentle correction and guidance. Musk seems to just be a jerk. He is aware that he is harming other people. He does not care that he is hurting other people. He needs deportation or incarceration. ---
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2025, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-harem-of-elon-musk-or-musks-family-values/1017186/20 "2025-04-18T22:16:23Z")
Harems, billionaire bunkers. When he buys _The Death of Sardanapalus_ from the Louvre for whacking material, that will signal the end. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-harem-of-elon-musk-or-musks-family-values/1017186.md?page=2)